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NV-Sen: Berkley Catching up to Heller

by: DavidNYC

Tue Apr 26, 2011 at 3:52 PM EDT


Public Policy Polling (PDF) (3/21-24, Nevada voters, 1/3-5 in parens):

Shelley Berkley (D): 43 (38)
Dean Heller (R): 47 (51)
Undecided: 10 (11)

Byron Georgiou (D): 28
Dean Heller (R): 52
Undecided: 20
(MoE: ±4.4%)

Rep. Shelley Berkley's favorables have barely budged, and this poll's partisan composition is little changed from January's. So what explains the swift tightening here? It turns out that Dean Heller is actually a Republican elected official, and, well, Democrats don't really like Republicans - once they know who they are:

The main thing fueling Berkley's gain is that Democratic voters have soured on Heller since he launched his Senate campaign, significantly cutting into his crossover support. In January Heller posted a pretty decent 22/31 favorability spread with Democrats, allowing him a 46/23 breakdown overall. Now just 16% of Democrats express a positive view of him and 48% have a negative one. That's caused his net favorability to drop 9 points from +23 to now +14 at 43/29.

Given that Democratic voters don't like him as much anymore it's no surprise that they're also not as inclined to vote for Heller as they were earlier this year. In January Berkley had only a 44 point lead over Heller with Democratic voters at 64-20. Now it's a 63 point lead at 76-13 and that 19 point shift in her direction within her own party is the main reason she now has the race within the margin of error.

This trend is only going to get worse for Heller, not better, as he'll soon soar to prominence once Gov. Brian Sandoval taps him to replace John Ensign. Meanwhile, Berkley actually has a lot more upside among members of her own party than Heller has with his. Dems like Berkley by a 59-9 margin while Republicans adore Heller at a 74-10 rate. This translates to Heller winning 86% of Republicans while Berkley takes just 76% of Democrats - but it's almost a guarantee that Berkley's numbers with Dems will improve. Harry Reid got 91% of Ds against Sharron Angle last year and even Jack Carter got 81% in 2006. And trust me: Shelley Berkley's no Jack Carter.

Oh, and speaking of that pending appoinment for Heller, Tom Jensen threw in an extra question about whether Nevadans are happy with the prospect of Sandoval naming a replacement, or whether they'd prefer to vote on the choice. Respondents chose "vote" by a 53-44 margin. At the end of the day, I don't know how much people really care about this sort of thing, but perhaps Democrats will be able to make some hay out of Heller getting skipped to the head of the class. At the very least, it'll paint a big target on his back, and I'm not sure I'd necessarily want the supposed advantages of incumbency in a race like this - not when greater prominence seems to be translating into crappier performance at the polls.

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lol
And trust me: Shelley Berkley's no Jack Carter.

I see what you did there

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Last I read
Here there was initially confusion and what all entailed because of the resignation.  Are we looking at Appointment + Special election or Appointment and General Election?

Sounds like
appointment + special election for NV-02, general election for NV-Sen

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[ Parent ]
Correct.
Once Sandoval appoints Heller, there will be a special election to fill NV-02... Likely this November.  (Nevada law calls for an election within 180 days of vacancy.) Heller's Senate appointment lasts until the end of Ensign's term.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
There's no confusion about the Senate seat
Ensign quits and Sandoval gets to appoint whomever he likes. It's only if he appoints Heller do things get confusing in NV-02. We're still waiting on the SoS to issue an opinion there, but I suspect there could be litigation as well.

[ Parent ]
my mistake
re-reading the ensign resigning post I see the special election talk was all about NV-02.  That threw me off.  

[ Parent ]
As I said in this morning's daily digest...
This is the best case scenario for Republicans right now. Again, I looked at the internals and noticed PPP again undersampled Latinos, young voters, and maybe even Las Vegas folk overall. And considering Obama will be back on the ballot next year, Dean Heller shouldn't bank on the November 2012 voter pool looking like this.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


They didn't undersample Latinos......
They had Latinos at 16%.  That's probably right with normal demographic growth, given that exit polls had Latinos at 15% in both 2008 and 2010.  Given that minority dropoff in midterms is greater than white dropoff, you can argue that maybe Latinos could be 17% in Nevada next year, but anything more than that would be a stretch I think, and in any case a 1% difference in vote share doesn't matter that much.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
There was something wrong...
With their Latino subsample, because there's no way in hell Dean Heller is holding Shelley Berkley to a measly 54-45 lead! If not even Brian Sandoval could get anywhere close to 40% Latino support last year (in a midterm), I find it unimaginable Heller, who has a longer and clearer anti-immigrant and anti-civil-rights voting record, can reach 45% in a Presidential year, with higher youth turnout.

Even if the overall Latino number is close to right, it at least sounds like PPP undersampled young Latinos and Clark County (Greater Las Vegas) Latinos. Trust me, Shelley is quite popular in North Las Vegas and East Las Vegas!

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
You're last paragraph makes sense
And in any poll there are inherent issues and the whole "for 95% confidence 1 out of every 20 will be an outlier" meme of course holds water.

But if they did under-sample the Latinos its fine, its a poll 18 months out, it doesn't really matter.

After 2010, I'm pretty much done with polls.  I don't think we have to worry too much abotu Rassmussen writing the narrative for 2012 though I'm sure they'll try.  The Dems have the strongest candidates they could egt in almost every race, so fundraising will not be impacted by Ras' polls like it may have to some house memebrs in 2010.

I don't know why I picked this month to start paying attention to polls again after swearing them off after 2010, but I need to stop looking at them again.  They are quite meaningless at this point.  Patty Murray has really outdone herself so far, its now a campaign/candidate show (except Mass which I'm not worried about yet).


[ Parent ]
at only 16% of those included in the poll
the MoE is probably extremely large so 54-45% could fall into that.  AA's always seem to poll too favorably for Republicans further out from the election but that's it's usually because of undecideds and not much of an increase for the GOP.  Maybe this is just a case where Heller needs to get knocked off his pedestal for some more of our voters to come home.  Hispanics, I don't think, are that liberal as a whole but they come home.

What would be fun is if we go for immigration reform specifically so we can screw over Heller.


[ Parent ]
But as I posted in the other thread
this is something they've consistently done close to election time, not a matter of "undecided" voters playing coy. For instance, in 2010, their final poll showed Rory Reid winning Hispanics 53-47; he ended up winning them 2 to 1.

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[ Parent ]
It's probably more right to say
that their sample of latinos is biased.  

[ Parent ]
Responding to andgarden and atdleft, no, nothing necessarily "wrong," it's just...
...that a subsamples are erratic and unreliable as a rule.  This one was 16% of 491 people, or 79 respondents.  The total sample had a margin of error of 4.4%, already a little higher than a lot of polls.  The subsample should have a margin of error in double digits, although I'm not proficient like tietack in calculating these things.

I'll actually give PPP credit for getting it right on nonwhite subsamples as a rule, they almost always show massive Democratic advantages with them in state after state and nationally.

But it's hard to get subsamples right very consistently when their numbers are so small.

I realize pollsters, including PPP, have understated Democratic support in Nevada the past couple cycles, and part of that is becuase of poor sampling of Hispanics.  And sure it's possible that's happening again in this PPP poll.  But the fact is having inaccurate results for subsamples this small is par for the course in polling.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
If the black subsample is suspect,
I can easily make a mental adjustment to 90% for most Democrats and 95% for Obama. But latinos vary in their politics by region, so it's probably more important to oversample them. I mean, imagine if you sample too many or not enough Cubans in a Florida poll. That could crap up the entire result, and nobody would know.  

[ Parent ]
But that can all be offset by a smaller error in the white vote......
Given that the white subsample overwhelms as it does almost everywhere, a small error there in favor of a Democrat completely offsets a larger error in favor of a Republican.

But the small error with white voters would be disguised by being small, so no one is screaming out, "hey Berkley is doing 2 points better with whites than she should be!"

The statistical reality is that subsample errors will routinely exist, but cancel each other out so that the total sample is accurate.  That assumes a good sample up front.  We don't know that about this poll.  But inferring the sample is screwed up from crosstabs, while not completely illegitimate, is unreliable.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
As I said in the other thread
I don't trust any polling out the Nevada these days.

Hopefully the next election will redeem the pollsters who work there.


[ Parent ]
Definitely positive movement.
I hope the NV Democratic Party is ready to go all-in if they need to.  This is the high-stakes table and it's time to play.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


Reid is playing for keeps...
Rumblings have another attempt at passing the DREAM Act as soon as next week.  Heller's very first senate vote could be against the DREAM Act.  Ha!

Trust me. If Heller says no to DREAM Act...
Well over 54% of Latino voters here will be saying, "HELL NO!" to Heller! (Probably more like the 69% Reid won last year, or maybe even close to the 76% Obama won in 2008.) Again, not even Brian Sandoval was forgiven for flip-flopping on DREAM Act and drivers' licenses.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
Wouldn't it have to pass the House first?
I guess policy can originate in the Senate, but it's become pretty rare to see that. I suppose it would be a wise political move by Reid, but it might have the side effect of getting the netroots angry at Jon Tester again.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
It didn't hurt Tester last time
His position on the issue is a plus in Montana whatever certain people online think or say.

[ Parent ]
Yeah, you're right.
The delegation of the states bordering Canada, east of WA and west of WI, are very against the DREAM Act or any pragmatic form of immigration reform for some reason.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
/
West of Minnesota, not Wisconsin.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
Because they're afraid...
They're just afraid of "the other". I've talked with some of these people who really believe, "The Mexicans are taking our JOBS!!!!!" And now that more migrant workers are being hired even in the rural Northwest, people are just scared.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
I'm sure the junior Senator from Montana
is shaking in his boots over what the netroots think of him  

[ Parent ]
He was a netroots candidate...
He should care more than the ordinary politician.  I realize that it is a Democratic rite of passage to spit on those who helped you into power.  Still, it would be nice for once, to have Democrats actually care about the folks who worked very hard to get them into office.  Republicans treat their base voters much better--no wonder they vote more consistently.

[ Parent ]
Meh
It would be one thing if Tester represented a reliably Democratic state, but Montana is, at best, a swing state. He's going to have to make a high-profile defection or two.

[ Parent ]
He was not a "Netroots candidate."
He was a Democratic candidate from Montana who happened to have a lot of netroots support.

Having a bunch of people online excited about you can help with fundraising, but it doesn't win elections. You need to have the on the ground infrastructure, connections, and support.


[ Parent ]
Not so
Tester COURTED the netroots heavily. It's how he gained traction and got a lot of his seed money.

That doesn't mean that he can't moderate himself now that he's the incumbent, but let's not rewrite history.


[ Parent ]
And Tester voted for HCR...
It would have never passed without him being in the Senate.  Everything in the 111th Congress that needed 60 senate votes needed Tester's vote. You can't expect every Dem candidate to simply vote the party line on every issue.  They represent their State in the Senate, not their party.  

[ Parent ]
He didn't raise a peep on HCR
The DREAM Act is one bill and it's Montana.  And let's also realize that Kos facilitates the Netroots but he doesn't speak for them.  So even though he is pissed at Tester, it doesn't mean the entire Netroots is.  Kos will do his rants and Tester will now have incumbent advantages in fundraising so it's really no harm no foul.

[ Parent ]
I don't expect him
to vote party-line!

I am actually GLAD he is moderating his positions, trying to be appeal more to the center. That is really smart politics for a state like Montana.

But that does not change the fact that Tester was the more progressive/populist alternative to the other Democratic candidate in the primary that year (Morrison), and that he worked very hard to represent himself as such.

Was it solely strategic?


[ Parent ]
Tester voted for a ton of progressive bills...
Remember every bill needed 60 votes and he was one of the 60.  Maybe DREAM wasn't going to pass anyways and it's a loser in Montana so he was freed up to vote against it.  

He's likely more left/progressive than Montana is.  


[ Parent ]
Guys
I've said this elsewhere, but really - let's keep it on topic, okay? I don't know that this was a particularly good conversation to have, but Tester + DREAM Act + Markos + netroots = bound to cause hard words and hard feelings. And it's just not going to shed any light. The situation is what it is, and the election will move forward however it moves forward, simple as that.

[ Parent ]
That just means he knows how to fundraise.
That doesn't mean that the netroots are "what got him elected."

If you're from out of state and you're unwilling to come to the state to canvass for a candidate, you're a source of money, nothing more. And not even his main source of money at that.

I'm sick and tired of people on the internet claiming that they "own" a candidate because they supported them. No. You. Don't. It's nearly as annoying as the people who think the most important thing in the world to winning the election is that they, personally, get a yard sign, but who you CAN NOT get to so much as sign up for a canvas shift.

I'm not thrilled with Tester's opposition to the dream act, but I don't view it as some "massive betrayal of the people who got him elected.


[ Parent ]
I understand why he voted the way he did..
But, it might have been nice to say to the people you once courted, "Hey... sorry, but here's what I'm doing and why I'm doing it."  A GOP politician would never go against a part of their without such an explanation.

As for people making fun of Markos for being upset about it.  It's an important issue for him.  Important enough that it's a dealbreaker.  That's his right.  It's his site.  It would have been nice if the two could have discussed the situation and come to terms before the vote.  Jon Tester needs all the help he can get, and he shouldn't be deliberately alienating anyone at this point in time.

I still like Tester a lot, and I hope he wins. I really hope he wins the way he did the first time, staying true to himself.  For the most part, he has done that.  Let's hope it continues.  


[ Parent ]
Why would Tester discuss it with KOS?
I better get this out of the way before the move, but who gives a shit what Markos thinks? The last thing I would want my Senator to do is to check with some out of state blogger before he votes on an issue.

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan

[ Parent ]
I'mo not saying Markos personally...
But, Tester had regular diaries up on dKos.  He certainly could have talked to his supporters.

A GOP candidate would never have treated their supporters with such a cold shoulder, no matter where they are from.  It's one of the reasons why GOP voters are so loyal.  They get respect from their politicians.


[ Parent ]
"why gop voters are so loyal"
Umm...what? After all the rightwing fringe candidates that took out GOP leadership favorites, I think it's pretty clear that rank-and-file Democrats are more loyal to their leadership than GOP voters. Maybe it's our history as the party of tightly controlled political machines and bosses or our more big tent orientation, I don't know. But Dems are certainly more loyal to their leaders than GOPers.

Male, VA-08

[ Parent ]
As I said elsewhere
It's time to move on from this derail.

[ Parent ]
^^^^^^THIS. (nm)
nm

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
And by "THIS," I meant BeloitDem's comment. (nm)
nm

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
Tester is pretty liberal for Montana
The state is cpvi R+7 and he voted for the stimulus, HCR, financial reform, the budget, etc etc.  He's certainly much more of a liberal than Baucus is.

I realize the Dream Act is very personal for many people, but it's unrealistic to not support Tester for voting against it when he's clearly about as liberal as you could be and get elected in Montana without being named Brian Schweitzer.

NC-06/NC-04


[ Parent ]
The issues bullshit wasn't supposed to start until after the move to Dkos
Off topic for the site, and miles off topic for the thread

[ Parent ]
He represents Montana in the Senate...
I don't think his name reads John Tester D-Netroots.

Tester holding his seat is one more seat to keeping the majority.  Maybe Markos and the Net Roots can primary him like they did Lincoln.  I'm sure Rehberg will be just as progressive as Boozman is now.  


[ Parent ]
And the netroots is not the base.
And it doesn't matter how many times you say it.  

[ Parent ]
OK, then, who is the base?
I'm not saying the netroots or the activists are the "base", but activists play very important roles in elections.

Who do you think is "the base"?


[ Parent ]
What does this have to do
With the Nevada Senate race? This conversation has gone really far afield. Time to wrap it up and move on.

[ Parent ]
I will be quiet
as well. I said my one short piece and am done.  

[ Parent ]
People bitching on messageboards are not activists...
And his base is the 70M voters who voted for him in 2008, and the activists are the volunteers to volunteered and the workers who worked for his campaign in in 2008.  

Rachel Maddow gets 1M viewers a night - 1/70th of the vote Obama/Biden received in 2008.  But President Obama should cater to her viewers because they claim to be the base? The Dem Party is a Big Tent.  Democrats who voted for Ben Nelson and President Obama are part of the base.  


[ Parent ]
This is such an obnoxious
argument, but the base is lot broader than the netroots, and it is a source of annoyance for us pragmatists who Democrats get purist every time someone votes against a piece of legislation, including situations where the said legislation had little chance of passing, and voting for it would likely cause problems with a competitive reelection campaign.  

[ Parent ]
THERE IS NO BASE!!!
There are multiple different bases. The netroots may be A base, but it isn't THE base and it certainly isn't THE base in Montana.  

[ Parent ]
He's a Montana candidate first


[ Parent ]
Really
but it might have the side effect of getting the netroots angry at Jon Tester again.

Please don't go here again. This was a derail in a thread about the NV Senate race, and I think you know this is a sensitive topic.


[ Parent ]
I did want to ask David
Are you going to be able to enforce these no purist/no policy discussion/no flamewars policy on Dkos Elections? I know Dkos has no such rules against them, so are you going to be able to enforce your own policies for that sections and people who are involved in that section will be required to follow them or get banned from Dkos/blocked from that section of the site?

[ Parent ]
I think David N addressed that in part
in the FAQ diary, ref

As far as community goes, we will do everything possible to maintain what we've built here. We will, as always, try to steer conversations in helpful ways and avoid derails and off-topic discussions. While I personally will not have the power to ban users, this is actually something we do quite seldom here at SSP - and if someone is truly disruptive, I can make it known to Meteor Blades, the Daily Kos Director of Community. If you also have concerns about a user, you can reach out to one of the staff members (see above).

I think it would be great if David N, etc. could ban / suspend users from the DKE part of the site, instead of having to go to Meteor Blades.


[ Parent ]
Sorry about that
n/t

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
Damn
The truce is dead, then.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
If it's a choice between good relations with Heller...
...and the difference between being majority or minority leader in the Senate, Reid's going to choose the latter every time.

[ Parent ]
Exactly
Also, the truce was only with Ensign and it was only because they fought down to the wire in 1998.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
I thought it was with Heller too
After all, why wouldn't Heller run against a weakened Reid in 2010?

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[ Parent ]
I guess
They thought they could defeat him easily with a lesser candidate (Lowden).  By the time Lowden began to implode, I think it was past the filing deadline.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Correct
Sen. Reid appears to have concluded that the margin in the Senate is much too close, and his position in Nevada is much too strong, for him to dick around with nonaggression pacts. I view this as a signal that he will do everything short of actually rig the vote to flip Sen. Ensign's seat. It's on.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
Eh
I think Heller believed that Reid wouldn't be easy to defeat early in the cycle, by the time it was looking like Reid would lose there were already legitimate Republicans in the race.  

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
Not the way I remember it
Sen. Reid's approval ratings were in the toilet at the time Rep. Heller was approached, and he quietly passed on the opportunity, to the complete unsurprise of the likes of Jon Ralston, IIRC.

But the jig is up now...

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


[ Parent ]
New dream scenario
Heller is appointed, is now forced to vote for the Medicare budget again in the Senate, he switches his vote because he "represents the entire state now".  This sets off tea baggers, who find someone less shitty than Sharrrrrrrrron Angle, but still unelectable.  (Heller will be a moderate appointed Senator as this point.)  Berkley easily wins and then we win NV-2 as the cherry on top.

State polls in Presidential years...
How accurate are polls in Presidential years when the top of the ticket on one side isn't even known yet?

I mean Romney at the top of the ticket will do better than Pawlenty on the top of the ticket in Nevada one would assume.  


Weird
I feel better about the Dems chances of winning a Senate seat in Nevada then I do about the same happening in Mass.

Strange times we live in.  


agree
I absolutely agree

[ Parent ]
I would definitely bet
that Berkeley gets a higher vote percentage than whatever as-yet-unnamed Dem gets in MA-Sen

21, Dem, NY-15 (formerly NJ-05)

[ Parent ]
Hey, it already happened last year!
Who would have guessed 18 months ago that a Republican would win in Massachusetts, but Harry Reid would remain Senate Majority Leader today?

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
Hit em where they hurt
I don't know how much people really care about this sort of thing, but perhaps Democrats will be able to make some hay out of Heller getting skipped to the head of the class.

I don't think it makes a ton of difference either, but it'll be a close race, so why not.

I think an argument could be made that appointing a non-sitting GOPer would save the state money that an election in NV-02 would cost, and the GOP is willing to do everything and anything to save us, the taxpayer, money....aren't they?

(I know its a silly argument to make, but why not?)


NV Dem Party petitions SoS to have free-for-all in NV-02.
http://media.lasvegassun.com/m...

Also, Ralston said that his interpretation is that the law provides for a free-for-all, but that the SoS (Democrat Ross Miller) really gets the final word.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


And by "his interpretaton", I refer to Ralston.
Miller has not said anything conclusive.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Either way it will get a court challenge...
Basically the Dems just want Sharon Angle to run - either to win, or to split the GOP vote to allow a Dem to win.  Both cases would hurt Heller and Sandoval.  

Heller might have been better off staying in the House, as Reid controls the votes in the Senate and can schedule votes that will be painful for Heller - DREAM Act and potentially the Ryan Budget could both be early votes in Heller's senate career.  


[ Parent ]
Heller hasn't been appointed yet.
He's still in the House.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Yeah but...
Ensign resigns on the 3rd, Heller will be sat very soon after and then Reid will schedule the votes.  I believe they're still on recess.  

[ Parent ]
I think it would be imprudent
to create a free-for-all in this instance. That precedent could revisit us negatively in the future (imagine, for example, a split Democratic vote in the Vegas district).  

[ Parent ]
It would apply to special elections only.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
That is not inconsistent with my point


[ Parent ]
The NV Dem Party
doesn't have a gadfly like Angle.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
But it might well have two competitive
candidates, neither of whom agree to bow out. I.e., exactly what happened in Hawaii last year.


[ Parent ]
If that were to happen
the Vegas seat would quickly flip back in the election, even in the worst of years.  If a Dem wins NV-02 in a special, they'll get a good leg-up when they gotta run for a full term in 2012.  That will then help get them entrenched and harder to beat.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Think NY-23
Much of NY-23 had not elected a Dem to Congress since the antebellum period, but a spoiler changed that.  And 2012 will be much better than 2010, so a spoiler won't be needed in this particular scenario in 2012.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
When was the last House special election?
And this one could help the Dems win the Senate seat - I'll take that help on a six year gig over the future possibility of losing a House seat for two years at the most.  

[ Parent ]
I don't think Nevada
has ever had a US Congress Special Election.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
That was my point.


[ Parent ]
There hasn't been one
in NV state history.

[ Parent ]
Depends on which Vegas district...
If it's NV-01, or whichever ends up the VRA protected minority-majority district, the Nevada GOP has absolutely no base there. I suspect even if North Las Vegas Mayor Shari Buck (R) were to ever run (which seems unlikely, because she must realize she couldn't win a GOP primary while simultaneously catering to her heavily Dem district), she would have an uphill battle against whichever Dems run... And there are big celebrity Dems there, like State Senator Ruben Kihuen (D-North Las Vegas) and Assembly Member Lucy Flores (D-North Las Vegas).

In the area soon to become NV-04, however, it might be tougher if there's a fractured Democratic field and one strong Republican. But OTOH, there are hardly even any appealing R's in Henderson to run there!

Also remember that unlike the hot mess that's become the Nevada GOP, Nevada Dems are a tightly run machine that typically don't allow for contested primaries in situations like these.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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