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MS-Gov, MS-Sen: Not Gonna Happen

by: Crisitunity

Wed Apr 06, 2011 at 9:01 PM EDT


Public Policy Polling (PDF) (3/24-27, Mississippi voters, no trendlines)

Johnny DuPree (D): 25
Phil Bryant (R): 56
Undecided: 19

Bill Luckett (D): 27
Phil Bryant (R): 53
Undecided: 20

Johnny DuPree (D): 28
Dave Dennis (R): 41
Undecided: 31

Bill Luckett (D): 25
Dave Dennis (R): 43
Undecided: 32

Johnny DuPree (D): 28
Hudson Holliday (R): 37
Undecided: 35

Bill Luckett (D): 28
Hudson Holliday (R): 38
Undecided: 34
(MoE: ±3.4%)

The 2011 gubernatorial race doesn't look to be much of a challenge for the Republicans to hold; neither Dem nominee, either Hattiesburg mayor Johnny Dupree or businessman and Morgan Freeman chum Bill Luckett, comes anywhere close. (If you're wondering why they didn't poll anyone stronger, nobody else is coming; the field is already closed.) The Republican primary -- between Lt. Gov. Phil Bryant, whom I expect is the favorite based on being the only of the five candidates with name rec over 50% or positive favorables (32/27), businessman Dave Dennis, and retired general and county commissioner Hudson Holliday -- is where the real action will be, but it doesn't seem like PPP polled the primaries.

Public Policy Polling (PDF) (3/24-27, Mississippi voters, no trendlines)

Travis Childers (D): 33
Roger Wicker (R-inc): 51
Undecided: 15

Jim Hood (D): 36
Roger Wicker (R-inc): 50
Undecided: 14

Mike Moore (D): 38
Roger Wicker (R-inc): 48
Undecided: 14

Ronnie Musgrove (D): 35
Roger Wicker (R-inc): 52
Undecided: 13

Gene Taylor (D): 36
Roger Wicker (R-inc): 48
Undecided: 17
(MoE: ±3.4%)

With no Dem challenger on the horizon for Roger Wicker (who beat ex-Gov. Ronnie Musgrove in 2008, after previously being appointed by Haley Barbour to succeed Trent Lott), PPP throws the entire Dem bench up at the low-profile Wicker and finds that nothing really sticks, as he has a pretty strong 51/23 approval, including 33/29 among Dems. If anything, it gives a relative sense of what Dems are best liked here... it's probably ex-AG Mike Moore, who polls within 10 and has 39/23 favorables.

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I would love to see Ray Mabus tested
I sincerely doubt he'd run but it still seems strange that a former Governor, former Ambassador and current Sec. of Navy who to my knowledge hasn't made a Sherman Statement wouldn't be tested.

Defeated?
He was defeated for reelection, and unlike Musgrove who was being floated as a rematch until Katrina (and then later ran for Senate) hit he's never expressed interest in running for anything else ever again?

[ Parent ]
Do you want to know the silver lining of this poll?
Hood's approval rating is 43/26!  

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

Hudson Holliday?
That sounds like a Bing Crosby movie!  

Or a Tennessee Williams character.


[ Parent ]
name rec???
No, seriously.

> Johnny DuPree
> Phil Bryant
> Bill Luckett
> Dave Dennis
> Hudson Holliday
> Jim Hood

Who the hell are these people?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


All I know:
DuPree is the Mayor of Hattiesburg
Luckett is a businessman.
Jim Hood is the State Attorney-General

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Here you go:
Johnny D: African American Mayor of Hattiesburg

Bryant: One term Lt. Gov

Bill Luckett: Attorney, Businessman. Has some establushment backing and Morgan Freeman's endorsement

Dennis: Rich Guy

Holliday: Army General, Pearl River County official

Hood: Current AG


[ Parent ]
Hmm, I should have known
Hood and Bryant.  especially since Bryant got mentioned a few times recently over map-drawing.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

[ Parent ]
Forget it Jake, it's Mississippi


The Dems can only win A-G there.
Luckily Hood is not the kind of southern Dem who would defect.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
No, he isn't.
nt

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

[ Parent ]
The previous statement is a slight against the LA AG
Buddy Caldwell, A dem who sued the Obama admin on the health care law and changed parties a few weeks back.

Hood hasn't sued the Obama admin on HCR, he's fine and ain't switchin.

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


[ Parent ]
He didn't sued - yes,
he is fine - yes. But about party switching - who knows? It's simply so much easier to get elected statewide in Mississippi as Republican now.. Sometimes it seems to me that a stump with "R" letter after name will be elected there without any problems...

[ Parent ]
How about
former SOS earl clark?

So what'll it take for us to win in Mississippi?
Is the national Democratic Party name there so reviled that not even the most conservative democrat will win statewide? Do we just need to wait for demographic change with African Americans increasing their share of the population? Or is there hope in the near future?

A deadly plague that only effects white people?


[ Parent ]
NASCAR?
oh wait, you mean physically deadly, not mentally.

(no offense any NASCAR fans, I'm just playin)

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
you can't say anything worse than south park last year
same for jersey jokes.  

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
It's kind of sad, but
I could see someone like Gene Taylor being competitive against a nonwhite Republican. There just might be enough racism there still that a super-conservative white Democrat could beat a nonwhite Republican. I would hate to win an election for a reason like that, but that's really the only way I could see us winning Mississippi.

Male, VA-08

[ Parent ]
I mean...
isn't that basically how we won LA-Gov 2003?

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
yeah
basically

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)

[ Parent ]
Blanco's folks would often (if not only) refer to now-Gov. Jindal as "Piyush"
His given first name. Pretty horrendous race-baiting, considering he's gone by Bobby forever.

24, SSP Gay Caucus Policy Committee Chair, Western Democrat; CO-05 (home), CA-14 (law school)

[ Parent ]
Didn't know about that, but I did know there was some race-baiting
Some of Jindal's pictures were modified to make him appear darker.

If a white Democrat runs against a minority Republican in the South, it's not surprising that they might stoop to using race, it's definitely the nature of the game sometimes.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.


[ Parent ]
Nikki Haley
Nikki Haley did significantly worse than any of the other statewide Republicans in the 2010 Gov election in South Carolina. I didn't hear about any racist tactics (from Democrats), but I have no doubt that race hurt her in the general election.

22, male, conservative, VA-08 (residence), CA-15 (school)

[ Parent ]
There
was a very good post a while back in a diary examining the SC 2010 gubernatorial election. The poster noted that Sheheen worked very hard to convince evangelicals that he was one of them. Also Sheheen's ads had the constant theme of, "Nikki Haley's a liar." Plus you know, Haley's a carbon copy of Sanford who shows no sign of learning that going to war with your own party is not a way to govern. (Example: She's proposing a report card for legislators measuring how much they support her legislation.)

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
No tactics are needed sometimes
I would imagine that there's still a non-trivial bloc of voters in each state that will not pull the lever for a non-white candidate of any party, and that there are more of those folks in SC and MS than elsewhere (if history is a guide.)

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
By Mississippi's standards
Gene Taylor is very far from "super-conservative". Normal moderate-conservative at most. Look at Jeff Smith or Mary Stevens voting records in Mississippi's legislature - that's what is called "a conservative Democrat" there. Taylor is very moderate in comparison to them (i won't even  mention 8-10 other former conservative Democrats that switched after Obama became president)...

P.S. And Republicans will not nominate non-white candidate for important offoce too...


[ Parent ]
That's really kind of sad :(
God bless Mississippi.  She don't know no better. :)

25, independent liberal, MI-08

[ Parent ]
On top of the obvious polarization issues, the state Democratic organization is a mess
Almost every statewide office was left uncontested by Democrats, as well as a ton of legislative seats. Not that they wouldn't still be underdogs, but the flat out disorganization just speeds up electoral failure.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

[ Parent ]
Or rather, it potentially
limits electoral success.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
You never know.
I wonder what a campaign of full on populism about job creation, education, and environmental protection/deficit reduction would accomplish. If not that, then what else would work? A little bit of hedging is always involved in a campaign, but unless the citizens of Mississippi are completely against what the Democrats stand for, they do have a chance. They just need to market their candidate smartly and connect with voters.

I'll be the first to bitch about some of these more conservative Democrats, but they are necessary if we are to remain the big tent party. It's worth spending some money in Mississippi to keep ourselves in the conversation with conservative whites and to try out new ways to reach voters. If nothing else, we can use it as a test case for future races.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Environment protection?
In neighbouring Louisiana people in coastal areas hate environment protection and support more drilling even after BP disaster. That says something. They want more drilling  (and, potentially, more and better paid jobs) - not less...

But yes, you have to run very conservative (socially at least, but not very liberal on economy either) Democrats there. Otherwise - not even 1% chance, that still theoretically exist, and sometimes (just as with Childers in 2008) realises. Childers couldn't win even in 2008 if he would be anything, but conservative, himself...


[ Parent ]
Well,
in the sense of "Hey, let's do something to protect the waters where I make my living" environmentalism. But really, it was more of a guess than anything.

As for your other comments, you're probably right for a candidate like Obama. He's probably not the cup of tea for most Mississippi voters, but again, we'll never know until we try. He didn't talk to voters last time, for obvious reasons. Perhaps if he did last time, he'd change a few minds. It'd certainly be fascinating to see him try to contest the state.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
I doubt he will do it
If republican candidate will be very weak (Bachmann-type) - then may be. But if it will be a "real race" - time and money will, most likely, be spent elsewhere..

[ Parent ]
If he's really raking in the dough,
which is surely a big if at this point, I could honestly see him being really aggressive all over the place. The state is hardly expensive to advertise in, I would guess, and while the state party infrastructure is supposedly terrible shape, how much could it be to improve it? Think about it: let's say he managed to get up to only $800 million, which would be about $50 million more than last time. I'm not sure of how much of the money would have otherwise gone to what was already accomplished last time (building infrastructure in other states, for instance) or how much would have spent had he had a challenger again like Clinton, but let's just say it's $50 million. Together, that's $100 million that can be tossed into long shot states. That's a significant presence, if he wanted one, in Mississippi, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, Kansas, Nebraska, and Arkansas.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I fully agree
but, as i stated above, a lot will depend on how difficult a race will be. If (hypothetically) he will feel that Ohio, Florida, Virginia or North Carolina are at risk - it's much more likely that money will go there, not Arkansas or Alabama...

[ Parent ]
Yes, but my point is that at a particular time, he
could have so much money that he will have no other choice but to spread it around. There are only so many new voters to register, so many mailings to send out, so many offices to open, and so much air time on radio and television, after all.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
With Mississippi's polarized voting
where in almost every race whites now vote 90% (sometimes - even higher) for Republican candidate, Democrats have no chances. Even conservative Democrats. The only exceptions - big scandal or (as it was with Childers in 2008) - weak candidate (bad fit for district) plus exceptionaly bad (for Republicans) year. 2011 and 2012 are unlikely to be that sort of years, so Democrats may forget about these races..  

yes
thank you for sharing that every single time a thread about the south comes up

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)

[ Parent ]
Why not
Other people do such things routinely, why not me?

[ Parent ]
i agree
i just think you happen to do it the most.
it might just be that i read you doing it on multiple sites.

obviously, it's something you believe in strongly (and i agree with you, just as user b.j. always talks about expanding the field), but at the same time it becomes almost spam-like at some point.  most readers have gotten the point is all.


18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)


[ Parent ]
As you said himself:
if somebody feels strongly on some subject (i - do) and if he knows something, and may give arguments in support of his conclusions (again, i hope - i do) - why not? If, on the contrary, some theme is not of great interest to me - i am very reticent. But South (politicaly and historicaly very different from "mainstream") is of interest to me, just as other areas with distinctive politics (New England for example, the only difference being that in New England it's moderate Republicans, which are my main interest, while in the South - it's conservative Democrats). On the contrary: California - as big and important it is - is of relatively little interest to me with almost all Democrats there being solid liberals, and almost all Republicans - solid conservatives. As i wrote many times - i like variety in politics, not predictability. So, California is a sort of "yawn" to me, while Louisiana, Mississippi, Massachusetts or Connecticut - doesn't....

[ Parent ]
On two sites now
nt

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
Of course)))
Why limit himself to one when you can have two?))))

[ Parent ]
I actually thought Sen. Wicker would be doing better
And I wouldn't say "not gonna happen" while he's being held under 50%, especially in a presidential election year when it looks like President Obama's map will be big enough to take chances in states like Georgia, Arizona, and Montana. Maybe there's room for some spending in Mississippi behind the likes of Atty. Gen. Hood or Mike Moore.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


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