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SSP Daily Digest: 3/24

by: DavidNYC

Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 8:02 AM EDT


AZ-Sen: Rep. Jeff Flake, long known for his non-insane stance on immigration, has bluntly announced that he's flip-flopping. Just like John McCain before him, Flake says he no longer supports comprehensive immigration reform and now just wants to discuss border security. Clearly, Flake is terrified of getting teabagged in the senatorial primary, even though he doesn't have any actual opponents yet. I suspect that Rep. Trent Franks (or someone else with strong movement conservative bona fides) will get into the race, though, and I doubt that Flake's last-minute conversion will incline the teabaggers to forgive him.

And I also wonder if it might not tick off his patrons at the Club for Growth, who just proudly announced that they've raised $350K for him. The CfG is backed by people and organizations who are what you'd call "cheap labor conservatives." That is, they prefer to see a steady flow of illegal immigrants because they represent a ready pool of workers they can cheaply exploit. The kind of immigration reform that Flake once favored also pleased his corporate masters, because it would have created a temporary worker program-almost as good, but blessed by the law! I doubt that the CfG, which pushed Flake hard to get into the race (and immediately endorsed him once he did) will abandon ship over this offense, but maybe they'll start focusing their energies on more reliable stooges.

FL-Sen: I'm really glad that Mike Haridopolos is the only announced Republican candidate of any note because he's such a walking train-wreck (if you can visualize such a thing)-almost every new story about him is yet another disaster. His eye for optics is particularly atrocious: In his role as President of the state Senate, he just removed a piece of ethics legislation from the body's agenda-despite having co-sponsored the very same bill last year. Even better, you may recall that Haridopolos was just admonished by the Senate for failing to properly disclose his finances on required forms. I love this guy!

MI-Sen: A Republican firm who seems to be affiliated with ex-Rep. (and potential candidate) Pete Hoekstra, Strategic National, released bits and pieces of a survey to Dave Catanese. They claim that Dem Sen. Debbie Stabenow's approval rating is just 30-38, in contrast with PPP's poll from yesterday which had her at 46-39. The only head-to-head they released showed Hoekstra trailing just 41-38 (PPP has him back 50-38). To Strategic National's credit (by the way, we'd never heard of this firm until this year), they released their sample makeup. To their discredit, the sample was 46 R, 44 D & 10 I. In other words, from Mars.

NM-Sen: Could Greg Sowards be the next Christine O'Donnell or Joe Miller? I'd be shocked if you've ever heard of this teabagger, but he did spent $300K of his own money to get pasted in the NM-02 primary in 2008. (He also has a fucking funny URL-just Google his name.) With "moderate" Heather Wilson the only big-time candidate in the race so far, a surprising number of winger outfits are giving Sowards a look: He's in DC visiting with Jim DeMint's people and the Tea Party Express, among others. Sowards also appeared to get under Rep. Steve Pearce's skin by saying he didn't think Pearce would run for the Senate again. Click the link for Pearce's prickly response.

NV-Sen: Rep. Shelley Berkley (D) will be keynoting the Jefferson-Jackson dinner in rural Churchill County this Friday, which either means she's spreading out her feelers for a statewide run, just doing someone a favor, enjoys spending time way up in the northern part of the state, or absolutely nothing.

OH-Gov: On top of spaghetti, all covered with cheese, I saw John Kasich, and his poll numbers sucked. Quinnipiac sez he's at 30-46 approvals, while GOP-affiliated pollster We Ask America says he's at an astoundingly bad 35-58. Q also asked about SB5 (the anti-union bill) with a couple of different wordings; either way, voters are opposed.

WV-Gov: State House Speaker Rick Thompson's been cleaning up with the union endorsements (teachers, AFL-CIO), and now he's racked up a huge one: the United Mine Workers of America.

AK-AL: This story is so disturbing, I won't even attempt to summarize:

A Republican congressman from Alaska, who also is on the board of directors of the National Rifle Association, now is attempting to distance himself from a Fairbanks militia leader accused in a high-profile firearms, murder and kidnapping plot.

In April 2009, with a video camera rolling, Rep. Don Young signed a "Letter of Declaration" being circulated by the Second Amendment Task Force/Alaska Peacemakers Militia, led by Francis Schaeffer Cox. The "declaration" called on "sovereign Americans" to "alter or abolish" any government that tries to "further tax, restrict or register firearms" or prevents individuals from exercising their "God-given right to self-defense [that] precedes all human legislation."

CA-36: Democracy for America, the activist organization that emerged from the Howard Dean campaign, is endorsing SoS Debra Bowen, though it's not clear what kind of support they plan on providing. DFA previously endorsed Bowen when she sought re-election to her current job last year.

IL-10: Activist Ilya Sheyman posts a diary to Daily Kos, saying that he's "considering running" against Republican Bob Dold! in Illinois' 10th CD.

NY-01: Republican Randy Altschuler, who lost the second-closest House race in 2010 (only IL-08 was closer), will be in DC "for a series of meeting"-and that's all Roll Call has to say about it. Supposedly this means he's considering a rematch against Rep. Tim Bishop, but we don't even know who his meetings are with. Maybe he's talking to the Brewery Soft Drink Beer Distr Optical Dental Misc Workers Warehouseman Help Local 830 PAC, for all we know.

OR-01: Blue Oregon scored quite the coup: I believe they are the first local print media outfit to get an interview with Rep. David Wu. They say they talked to him for an hour, and promise that they asked tough questions. The contents of the interview will appear in a multi-part series over the next day (just as soon as they finish transcribing). You can read part one and part two now.

SC-05: I don't think anyone was expecting that ex-Rep. John Spratt, at age 68 and with 14 terms under his belt, would seek a rematch, and indeed he's not. At an emotional event to honor Spratt's many years of service, he said that he might teach, or join a DC think tank, but that whatever he does, "it'll be part-time." Godspeed.

Mayors: Kansas City, MO elected the awesomely-named Sly James as mayor in a runoff last night; he beat fellow Dem Mike Burke 54-46. And in Tampa, Dem Bob Buckhorn crushed Republican Rose Ferlita by a 63-37 margin.

Campaign Committees: So it looks like the DCCC and NRCC are engaged in a minor skirmish, but with Rahm Emanuel gone, it seems like the Chicago Way means, you come at me with a butter knife, I come at you with a spork. Anyhow, the D-Trip announced it was targeting robocalls and a bit of other media at ten Republicans (click link for districts) regarding Social Security and Medicare, so the NRCC did the exact same thing, except about gas prices. The NRCC also released what it claims is are television ads (but what our friend Nathan Gonzales would call a "video press releases") against Heath Shuler and Nick Rahall. I'll bet the amount spent on these buys isn't enough to buy John Shimkus a meatball sub.

Redistricting Roundup:

California: The new chair of the CA GOP spazzed about the selection of Q2 Data and Research as the redistricting commission's map-drawing technical consultant, hollering that the firm has ties "to the Democrat Party." Zing! Only problem is that the commission (which of course includes Republicans) voted 13-0 to pick Q2.

Maryland: Last year, Maryland passed new legislation requiring that, for the purposes of redistricting, the state count prisoners as residents where they last lived, rather than where they are serving their sentences. State agencies just certified a count of 22,000 prisoners, and while some Baltimore-area legislative districts gained a bit as a result, the overall effects were slight. (Side note: The US government refused to share "last known address" data concerning the 1,500 inmates incarcerated in Maryland's lone federal prison.) The only other states with similar legislation are Delaware and New York; while this information affects local as well as state redistricting efforts, congressional redistricting is based on US Census data, and I'm pretty sure these laws don't cover that.

Virginia: Winners were announced in the college competition to redistrict the state of Virginia. You can find the maps at the link. I don't think they got any babka, though.

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I would feel bad for Gov. Kasich...
But he is such a dick.

Some Dudes running in the Republican primary as "the candidate from the Tea Party" make me so happy, especially in blueing states like New Mexico that President Obama is virtually certain to hold. And I would be delighted by a bald-off between Greg "Short Bald Honest" Sowards and Auditor Hector "Baldy" Balderas.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


Make it so!


20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
Why would you feel bad for Kasich?
Even if he weren't a dick, why would anyone feel bad for him?

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Approvals 23 points underwater with near-universal name recognition?
In a survey conducted by a GOP-affiliated pollster? Two and a half months after taking office?

Ouch. I know my ego would be bruised by that.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


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Even if you accept
the idea that he's suffering for some sort of noble cause, where he has to land on his sword because he took a difficult but correct position, I don't care. If he's booted out, he won't suffer one damn day. The homeless shelters of the world aren't populated by ex-Lehman Brothers higher ups and former politicians, after all. And that's generous. You could easily make a case this is a highly political, almost entirely one-sided move--SB5, I mean--and you'd probably be right.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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what does Kasich care?
He's still got more than three and a half years to wreck the state.

If there's one election result from last year I could magically reverse, it would be OH-Gov. Or maybe FL-Gov--tough call.


If I had the equivalent of five points to spread around among statewide races...
I'd flip the results of the gubernatorial elections in Ohio, Florida, and Maine.

My heart broke for then-Rep. Sestak in Pennsylvania, yes, but I was just gutted by those three. And for good reason, as the ensuing months have attested.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


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I agree on those 3
I'd honestly put maine behind Sestak because I live in Philly, but we'd agree on the top 4.

I read yesterday the new Maine Sec of labor is removing all artwork from the labor offices that in any way depicts the labor movement.  they said the bu8siness community complained it made them uncomfortable.  i'm sure someone already posted it, but that alone made me bump ME_Guv up in my 2010 regrets list.


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Could you spare a few tenths of a point
For IL-Sen?

21, Dem, NY-15 (formerly NJ-05)

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I don't think so
Democrats held the Senate and most of my most-loathed Republican candidates (McMahon, Fiorina, Buck, Angle, O'Donnell, and Miller) lost.

Besides, flipping Ohio, Florida, and Maine would use up all of my spreadable five points...

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


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Besides I doubt
Mark Kirk will be around in 2017.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

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I care!
[/Luke Skywalker]

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Club for Growth
They must know immigration reform is a non-starter with a GOP-controlled House anyway. Hard to see them abandoning Flake over this flip-flop.

Flake
Not his finest hour, but notice that he mentioned that immigration reform won't go anywhere "with the current leadership". Looks like he's trying to leave himself an out to switch back to his old position if the Dems retake the House.

41, Ind, CA-05

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Michele Bachmann Is Running for President
Or so it seems, anyway. She told ABC News, "I'm in." Run, Michele!

Perhaps she could win Iowa and maybe even South Carolina, but New Hampshire? Still, it'd be highly amusing if she became a force with a high number of delegates. And if she won the nomination, there will be a collective cheer from Democrats all over the country. She'd lose so badly to Obama that it wouldn't be funny. She might not even crack 40 percent. Yes, she would probably do worse than Palin, if you can believe it.

http://politicalwire.com/archi...

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


Politically, she seems like the reverse Al Sharpton
Which I suppose makes Palin the reverse Jesse Jackson.

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I might well argue she wouldn't even break 37% vs. Obama
The thing is, I highly doubt she gets anywhere near the nomination. In fact, I could see her fail as miserably as Pat Schroeder in '88; a congresswoman at the extreme wing of her party, with only modest fundraising bonafides. She might play OK in Iowa, perhaps breaking 20% there, but she'll tank in New Hampshire and there was that recent article on South Carolinaians liking her but not wanting her to run. I think Romney would love to have Bachmann as the right-wing alternative. He'd obliterate her in the Super Tuesday states and in TX/OH/PA.  

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Is there any chance she's being strategic?
If there's one thing (some of) these people are good at, it's political campaigns, so I guess I could imagine the Republicans trying to use her as a pawn in order to allow someone possibly electable like Romney to squeak by. The thing is, would she go along with it? That's what I find hard to believe.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Bachmann
I hope  Bachmann doesn't run, because not only would I hate to see her on the news even more often, (if that's even possible), but, if somehow she was to run against Obama, she'd do a lot better than us politico types want to admit.  Believe it or not, many people have never heard of her.  She does "look" to be strong and beautiful, which, sad to say, would sway any number of voters.  If she was the first female head of a ticket, and the media piled on her, (which she would deserve, being the idiot that she is), she would get a lot of sympathy votes.  Also, for those of you too young to remember, do some research on Ronald Reagan's campaign against Jimmy Carter back in 1980.  Most people thought he was a right-wing nut job, and he was, in fact, an awful candidate.  He constantly made stupid statements, such as, pollution is caused by trees, etc.  Michelle Bachmann, who is a sociopath, can look at the camera and totally lie through her teeth, because she believes her lies.  I realize she wouldn't have a lot of institutional support, ie GOP party apparatus, but, I would still hate to see this even happen because she is such an incredible B.S. artist, that she could probably pull it off.  I voted for Obama, but, she really comes across as a stronger leader, even though she is totally insane.  The 2012 election is his to lose, if people don't like him, they will go for the opponent.  Look at what happened with all those races the GOP won last year.  

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And look at the high profile races they lost
You don't get more high profile than a presidential race.

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Once the spotlight is on her and her past looney statements
She will be Palin x2. I predict she will lose at least 45 states if she's the nominee, and Dems will likely take back the House.  

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Bachmann
More like Sharron Angle x2. Palin and Bachmann appeal largely to the same people (the non-Paul wing of the tea party) but their minds don't work the same way. Bachmann is a straight-up paranoid delusional true believer. Palin sees the world mainly in terms of who's with her and who's against her, and for now the tea party is with her and liberals and "elitists" are against her, so she's with the tea party and against the elitists. She actually governed Alaska in a fairly non-ideological way for a year or two before she became a symbolic, polarizing figure at the national level.

If Bachmann were to get the nomination, she could well do even worse than Palin. Palin would spout a lot of vague statements and empty cliches, but Bachmann would say a bunch of really crazy crap and say it with conviction. I think Bachmann's ceiling would be about 40%.  

41, Ind, CA-05


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I actually see Bachmann doing the worst of any presidential candidate in all of U.S. history...
D 42
R 29
I 29

Obama - 97/14/64 = 64%
Bachmann - 3/86/36 = 36%

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She might be stronger
than we like to admit, but if she is, that will bring her to 41 or 42 percent, rather than the 37 percent andyroo312 suggested.

I think she could do worse than Palin, as I've said a few times, because I think Palin is more of a symbol for the imaginary snobbery some from the conservative base feel liberal elites from the coast project towards them. She's perfect at playing the part of the victim, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's some support not being captured by the polls that pulls her a few points above a Bachmann finish.

Bachmann is probably adored by a lot of the conservative base, but at the same time, it's at worst a one-for-one pull: for every conservative voter she brings out, she'll bring out at least one liberal voter for Obama. But at the same time, she could easily fall into the 30-percent range in not only swing states but nationwide with Independent voters.  She's a constant gaffe machine, and the intense pressure of a presidential campaign could make it even worse for her. I don't know enough about the 1980 presidential campaign to make any firm statements, but my impression is that however stupid Reagan might have sounded at some point, he at least projected the image of sanity. Instead of asking a deadly question like, "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" Bachmann would ask, "Do you think Obama can protect you against the threat of socialism? Do you think he won't tax your house and kill your grandma, like Teddy Roosevelt warned us about back in the 1950s? I mean, Nixon. Well, whatever. Obama is a communist!" Meanwhile, Obama can make a few gestures towards the middle, hold a few rallies with Collin Powell and some other famous moderate Republicans, and just laugh his way to a landslide victory.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Bachmann doesn't have anything close to
Reagan's history -- or credentials. Besides, she never was in a movie as good as "Bedtime for Bonzo". ;)

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This is a little bit too hopeful sounding for her
Although I will give her this; she is the absolute best at giving interviews post-scandal and squashing all ensuing drama within a week.  Now, she get's a lot of practice at this, but she really does do a beautiful job of nullifying her stupid remarks.  However, with Bachmann, it would quickly become a pattern and even while the stories don't last more than a few days, the nagging feeling of how on Earth could I vote her, is going to start weighing.

And holy shit balls, this woman has said there was a plan to divide Iraq in three and give a piece to Iran for an al-Qaeda training ground.  (Nevermind that al-Qaeda is Sunni, Sunni's represent 80-85% of all Muslims and that Iran is 90% Shiite.)  You get that mess into the papers and the whole country will ask, this is who we want us to lead us in Middle Eastern wars, a person who just simply makes shit up?


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And one other thing to point out
It took $15 million dollars for her to get 52% in a huge wave year in an extremely conservative district.  

Makes me wonder what some of the lowest percentages a Presidential candidate has ever gotten in a single state are in modern politics.  (Southern states regularly gave single digit margins to Republicans way back when.)


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A few things...
1) Ronald Reagan, while perceived as an unabashed right-winger, had a TON of experience and presided over the most electoral vote-rich state in the U.S. And, while many moderates viewed his ideology as extreme, few, if any, questioned Reagan's intelligence. He was a brilliant politician and knowledgable on policy. Bachmann, on the flip side, has little experience, comes from a Likely D state and isn't viewed as well-versed on anything. She's savvy in politics but not in much of anything else.

2) Jimmy Carter, stuck with high-30s/low-40 approval and challenged by Ted Kennedy, was in a far weaker position than Barack Obama will be.

3) With the 24/7 news cycle, viewers will very quickly become acquainted with Michelle Bachmann and, if they didn't like Palin, they won't like her, either. The media, rightfully or wrongfully, will paint her as Palin 2.0 and it will inevitably stick. Watch as the GOP establishment brushes her off from the get-go, with only the Tea Party crowd willing to strongly defend her.  

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Pat Schroeder
I don't recall Pat Schroeder as being all that extreme. Sure, she was the master of the wise-ass comment (i.e., George Bush Sr. wouldn't choose a female running mate in 1988 "because then people would say 'we need a man on the ticket.'"), but her voting record was that of a mainstream non-southern Democrat.

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leading to the most brilliant move in 20th century politics
Bush Sr. picking super-lightweight Quayle as his running mate, instantly making himself look literally more manly and presidential.

People forget Schroeder's assessment was the mainstream view in the country, that Bush was a piffle. After Quayle, no one thought that anymore.  Absolute politic genius that pick.


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Strange quotes
She is "in" for the conversation but hasn't decided if she will actually run yet.

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That'll teach me not to click through
to the original article.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Guess Palin isn't running then, no idea why she's in Indian and Israel then
I don't think this will have much of an effect on redistricting.  MN still has eight seats and with MN-6 and MN-2 over-population by, IIRC, roughly 150k.  Unless the plan involves a somewhat radical re-do of the maps, then Bachmann's district should actually get safer as it sheds people to MN-4 and MN-5.  And the people bordering these districts are the suburbanites that make Bachmann's district barely competitive in the first place.  (Bachmann is the one that makes the district a tier 1 battle.)

She get's a freebie shot at President and her district is probably going to become more Republican.


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She's got nothing to lose
As you say its a freebie shot.  Plus getting her name out that not only does wonders for her "stature" (and yes those quotes are meaningful) but also sets her up better for what she wants to next in life (Fox News, write a book, set up and run some wack-a-doo organization, etc.)


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What are MN primary filing dates?
aka, assuming she actually runs for Pres, when would Bachmann have to drop out in order to file for the MN-06 R nomination?

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Unless state law specifically forbids it
Bachmann can run for both at the same time.

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Good point, however
Assuming Bachmann does run for President, that's less time running for re-election to MN-06. Unless redistricting makes it significantly more R (which is possible), I'd think she'd have to spend some serious time campaigning to atone for ignoring her constituents for the national stage.

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she probably wouldn't need to
I have no idea when the deadline is, but MN party endorsements follow the national timeline pretty nicely so both processes end around the same time.  And our filing deadline is certainly after the endorsement process as the GOP needs to know which single person gets to file and for the DFL, potential candidates want to see if the nominee is a Democrat or a Farmer-Labor.

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OR-01: Wu interviewed well (so far)
Wu's staff promised 10 minutes for the interview. He was 40 minutes late. The interview lasted for an hour.

Part 1 and 2 are pretty short, but as Kari suggests, it was his toughest questions, as Kari was thinking of the 10 minute time limit.

As for other media outlets, Wu says he won't talk to the Oregonian or Willamette Week. So BlueOregon is a logical alternative.

Earlier, the guy who would probably be the strongest R candidate, Bruce Starr, said he's not running. (Starr is the State Sen from Hillsboro, the home of the local Intel plant, at the heart of the district.)

So I believe Wu could survive -- IFF the dripping stops.


I don't know if he could survive a primary...
Especially since his fundraising has reportedly gone completely dead. The Oregon Democratic Party isn't exactly cut-throat - primaries tend to be one well-organized establishment figure beating a dark horse claiming some degree of grassroots support - but there are a couple people who have hereto been waiting patiently for a chance to move up, and the fact that Rep. Israel isn't willing to offer any sort of support for Rep. Wu whatsoever really doesn't suggest the Oregon Democratic Party sounded enthused about backing Wu for reelection when the DCCC (presumably) checked in with them last.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

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We'll see in a few days
http://www.wweek.com/portland/...
For Democrats to view Wu as competitive in 2012, the seven-term congressman needs to raise about $250,000 before the March 31 FEC deadline.


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Starr may be strongest candidate
but i doubt he is so strong. He is pro-life as i remember, and generally - too conservative for this suburban and Democratic-leaning (at least) district. Last time Starr even had serious diffuculties getting reelected to his state Senate seat..

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I think Starr acknowledges that
since he took himself out of the running for OR-01 in '12 (at least for now).

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Sherrod Brown has good re-elect numbers.
http://politicalwire.com/archi...

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


Poll was by Quinnipiac
He has 45/30 numbers in favor of re-election.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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Job approval 43-27
Defeats unnamed Republican 41-34. Obviously they aren't pushing people at this stage. Obama job approval 47-48, 45-46 re-elect, defeats generic GOP 41-34.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x128...


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Hrm, this perhaps suggests the GOP gubernatorial failings may not benefit Obama
At 45/46 re-elect, I'd probably bet against Obama winning here, esp. given his 42% approval among Indies. We'll see, though. Brown looks to be in fine shape.

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Really, you'd bet against him winning Ohio...
With essentially neutral re-elects a year and a half out with a GOP field weaker than the Washington Nationals would be if they all contracted dysentery?

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

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The "generic R" number...
Means nothing, because Obama won't be running against "generic R", "unnamed opponent", or "hypothetical moderate R". There's a real batch of candidates running, and one of them will get the GOP nomination... With a handful of them more likely to get it than the rest. And at this point, Obama will really have to crater and these GOPers will have to turn around their upside down favorability figures to beat him.

And so far, considering all the teabagger mayhem just getting started in that primary, I'm having a hard time seeing that happen.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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Those numbers always mean something
I mean if an unnamed Republican was actually winning right now that would be important. But for years generic polls always suggested people wanted a Democratic president even when Republicans were winning comfortably.

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Well, that actually...
Proves my point.

But for years generic polls always suggested people wanted a Democratic president even when Republicans were winning comfortably.

America seemed ready to kick the Bush habit once and for all in 2004, and Dems seemed to find "Mr. Electable" in John Kerry. Remember how that turned out?

And early last year, I believe Michael Bennet was behind "unnamed opponent" in Colorado. I know Harry Reid was here in Nevada. It's fairly easy for "unnamed opponent" to gain support, but the game changes when that's replaced by a real candidate.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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Oh I agree
Campaigns and candidates make a difference. But generics do give you a decent idea of what might be competitive.

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Someone needs to link the Simpsons clip
This conversation reminds me of a scene in the Simpsons where the poeple of Springfield suggest Ned Flanders be head of the neighborhood watch...

Ned: Well, I don't have much experience, but I'd be--
Moe: Someone else!
Ned: (more cheers) Someone else! Someone else! Someone else!
Homer: I'm someone else!
Lenny: He's right!
Homer: We don't need a thinker, we need a doer! Someone who'll act without considering the consequences!

Sadly sometimes the American electorate (and certainly poll respodners) seem to be taking their cues from Simpsons jokes...


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Indeed
People obviously have different views on what "Republican" or "Democrat" should be. Empty vessel syndrome.

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I think Obama will win, but a bunch of states will flip
I think Romney wins the nomination and flips Indiana, Ohio and Florida. Obama wins Nevada by 3, Pennsylvania by 7, New Hampshire by 3, Virginia by 5, North Carolina by 2, Colorado by 5.

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I think Nevada by 3 is a bit ridiculous
I assume you're giving Romney a "Mormon bump," but DCCyclone has time and time again listed many convincing reasons why that won't benefit Romney in NV (at least in the general; the primary is probably another story, and he did win Nevada in 2008). I will be very surprised if Obama does better in Colorado and Virginia than in Nevada.

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You're saying this without seeing Romney's parallel approvals
If Obama is winning against generic R by 41-34, there is no way he is losing to any named Republican now.  Period.

Generic R will outperform specific R candidate almost anywhere.  Thar are a few politicians more popular than "generic" in various states, but nationally, no way.  People in this country dislike the leading political figures, and wish there was some generic person instead.

(The 45-46 number is unimportant as it includes Democrats dissatisfied with Obama, and it is fantasy to think they would vote for Romney in the end.)


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Not dissimilar to PPP
47-46 approve and ahead of named Republicans by at least 6 points, winning indies in each case despite negative job approval there too.

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Ehh, it just reaks of tossup status, as it usually does.
Independents are the name of the game in this state in particular, and if you look at how they are reacting, they are clearly finicky. He's got approval of 42 percent but only 32 percent of Independents are willing to vote for him at this point? I don't get this, but at the same time, the Independents that don't approve of him aren't writing him off just yet.

Also, what will the partisan breakdown be? There was a huge Democratic advantage there in 2008, with the electorate going 39/31/30, compared to 35/40/25 in 2004.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Quinnipiac always do this
Far too many undecideds on most questions. Same reason they had Lee Fisher winning well into 2010. The presidential race is a tossup, the Senate race leans Democratic. This poll doesn't change anything we didn't already know.

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Obama underperformed in Ohio significantly...
When statewide Dems were winning by 20 points in 2008, Obama only won by 4.  He especially underperformed in the traditional Democratic Appalachian stronghold of Southeast Ohio.  That region will be his biggest liability in the state in 2012 as well.

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Which Democrats are you referring to?
Only Coddray was on the ballot, no? Also, which counties are you referring to in particular? A quick scan of some of these counties tells me that he didn't do that much worse, suffering losses that were more than made up for in other parts of the state.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Ohio
Obama underperformed Kerry in the Counties along the West Virginia and Pennsylvania border (Belmont, Harrison, Jefferson, etc). Also, turnout there was either at or below 2004 levels, and third party candidates did significantly better. On the congressional level, incumbents Zack Space and Charlie Wilson each got more then 60% of the vote.

The only real exception was Tuscarawas County, where both turnout and Obama's % of the vote was higher then Kerry's in 2004.  

24, Gay Dude, Democrat, DC-AL


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That does
support your claim that he underperformed in certain parts of the state, but he more than made up for it in other parts. Besides, McCain didn't exactly this this one out. He poured quite a bit of money into the state--something like $24 million to Obama's $28 million. Considering the drastically lower totals he was taking from, it's a sizable figure.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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But again,
these places are so small, and the effect of the drop off so little, that it didn't make much of a difference. Yes, in a super-tight race, a few thousand votes could make the difference, but some of these counties have less than 10,000 people voting.

Also, if this is his biggest problem area in the state, isn't the answer to simply devote more resources to it, at least to the point where he's not drastically reducing his efforts in blue areas like Columbus? Some of these places look to be so small that it seems conceivable they could drag out every last Democratic voter and still have time and money left over.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Fair Enough
Just t pIn 2008, Obama got about 2.7 million votes in Ohio, but in 2004 Kerry got 2.74 million.

A lot of GOP voters sat at home in 2008, and that's what worries me the most about Ohio in 2012.

24, Gay Dude, Democrat, DC-AL


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That's absolutely false.
In 2004, Kerry received 2,741,167 votes, while Bush received 2,859,768. In 2008, Obama received 2,940,044 votes, while McCain received 2,677,820. There was clearly drop off from Bush to McCain, and a sizable chunk of those voters certainly went to Obama, but Obama definitely received more votes than Bush did in 2004.

Maybe the Republicans stayed home, or maybe right-leaning voters started to identify more as Independents and less as Republicans. That could certainly explain how there were more Independent voters in 2008 but Obama did much worse with them than Kerry did.

There could indeed be a huge swing back towards the Republicans in 2012 in Ohio, but remember that as John Kerry was facing challenges all over, he still managed to come within about two points in the state. Unless it's a blowout on either side, it's likely to be won by a small margin.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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yep
Looked up the NY Times results page, which didn't have the final results. My bad!

24, Gay Dude, Democrat, DC-AL

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No worries.
A good, easy-to-navigate page for election results, even at the county level, is uselectionatlas.org. I haven't checked all of the figures, but I've never found any of them to be wrong. It's updated, I think, from final results, whereas CNN or some similar organization stops after a certain point.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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No need to worry because you have it wrong
Obama got 2.93 million votes, so roughly 200k more than Kerry, and 100k more than Bush.

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He underperformed slightly
Significant is a little harsh. The swing in OH was comparable to plenty other states.

http://www.swingstateproject.c...


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statewide elections in Ohio
Are held in off years, not presidential years.  The only statewide race that is typically held in a presidential year is for the US Senate, but there wasn't even that in 2008 either.  

Besides, southeastern Ohio really isn't all that important anymore, the population base there is dwindling.  Obama would do well to concentrate more of his energy into Columbus and Cincinnati, both of which are turning rapidly in the democratic direction.  

23, Male, Democrat, OH-13


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completely agree
I think that working hard on continuing the blueing trend in Columbus (and Cincinnati, thought to a lesser degree) is the key to future competitiveness for dems in Ohio. I'll be curious to see if the dramatic increases from Kerry to Obama in NW Ohio repeats itself in 2012 or not...

Born and raised (OH-1), College (MN-2), GradSchool (CA-53), Postdoc1 (BC), Postdoc2 (IA-2) (later this month)

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Cincinnati
Is the general rule that the city itself is blue but the outer metro area is red or deep red? The swing from Kerry to Obama in Hamilton County as a whole was worth about seven points, but perhaps there is more to gain still by diving deeper into the redder areas to hold down the margins.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Probably both strategies needed in OH
You always want to hold down margins but at what cost.  I'm sure there is more to be gained by improving turnout in blue areas than forcing in in red areas, but every market will be different.

When I think of PA, Obama can literally setup shop in Pitt and Philly, have satellite offices in the other mid-size cities and cruise and win in 2012.  The fact he did more in 2008 and likely will in 2012 is just the sheer size and strength of his organization/following.

I'm not sure of how OH is laid out, but I think Philly and Pittsburgh dominate PA (population-wise) more than say Cleveland and Cincy in OH, so it's probably not as easy in OH.  regardless, I'd tend to trust Obama's campaign knows what they're doing when the time comes.


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Yeah, basically,
but I can't that that figure of $1 billion out of my head. Hell, even if he only improves slightly from last time to $800 million, that'll be without a primary challenge, and with the ability to build on what he did last time, whereas the Republicans are probably starting in a weaker position. I imagine this means building up a better structure all over the state, in both the blue areas and the red areas, to overwhelm the Republicans, rack up bigger margins in some places, if not all places, than last time, and perhaps even pulling someone in a swing or red area over the finish line and into congress.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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The last point is the most important
Obama is likely to gain several house seats in swing states by his sheer presence if the right candidates run the rtights campaigns.  I'd guarnatee closer to 10-15 if there weren't so much GOP-controlled re-districting.  

Still I'd expect Obama to help re-gain a seat in PA, OH and maybe NY in 2012 at the very least.  


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At the very least,
he can force candidates and their parties to decide to ignore the challenge or spend time and money from the beginning. Not to harp on this point again, but imagine Obama devoted even more money to Mike Pence's district in 2008, where he won 46 percent of the vote, by setting up even more offices and whatever else. Pence is a long-serving incumbent and probably pretty popular, but his opponent only got around 33 percent of the vote, despite Obama doing pretty damn good in the district. Perhaps it could have been a lot closer, if not won outright. And while these races aren't cheap, figure that if he could get to $1 billion, he could probably devote $100 million to red areas, where he could help at least 30 long shot candidates. If the Democrats are pumping $2 or $3 million into some of these districts, they can simply overwhelm the Republicans. They won't win all of them, but if they win a few on top of the swingier ones, it'll probably help them take back the House.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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You aren't giving OH enough credit
While Philly and Pittsburgh are huge, the third largest city is Allentown with about 120k pop.  On top of Cleveland and Cincy, you have Akron, Dayton, Toledo, and Columbus that all have bigger populations than Allentown.

I'll always remember the 2004 election because as an 18 year old, I was shocked to learn OH had 20 EV's and was going to decide the election.  "20 EV's, who the fuck lives there?"


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You mean
"Who the fuck still lives there?" As recently as 1968 Ohio had 26 EVs. In 2012, it'll be down to 18.

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My point was...
...that Philly's top 2 cities dominate its population far more than Ohio's top 2 cities, so that the strategy for PA might not work in OH.

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Cincy versus burbs
The city itself went from 68% to 75% (Kerry to Obama), while the rest of Hamilton county went 47% to 52% (Kerry to Obama), and the burbs in further out counties (Warren, Butler, etc) ar estill deep red...overall Hamilton county has moved steadily towards the dems since its  Nadir during the Reagan years (Obama first to carry county since LBJ), while the burbs have always been bright red...long story short there is room to continue growing dem margins there esp as the inner burbs diversify

Born and raised (OH-1), College (MN-2), GradSchool (CA-53), Postdoc1 (BC), Postdoc2 (IA-2) (later this month)

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Not just the Ohio side
If anything, the Kentucky suburbs of Cincinnati are even redder than the Ohio ones.

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KY burbs
very true on the KY stuff...all the redness of the burbs with no blue city to counterbalance it...

Born and raised (OH-1), College (MN-2), GradSchool (CA-53), Postdoc1 (BC), Postdoc2 (IA-2) (later this month)

[ Parent ]
There were two statewide vacancies in 2008
Attorney General and another one--can't remember.  The first was vacant due to scandal, and the second one was just vacant.  Cordray just crushed his opponent that year, even though his predecessor had to leave due to a sex scandal.

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Uh, no. It states clearly Obama has a large!
That's just the most bizarre spin ever.

45/46 is "deserves to be relected", which means a virtual slam dunk win for him, as the seven point lead against the non-offensive generic R attests.

To put Ohio back in play, Republicans need to nominate a remarkable person.  No such person is currently running.


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I think it was always a given it wouldn't directly benefit Obama......
State issues are state issues, they don't affect anyone's opinion of the President unless the President interjects himself in a meaningful way.

And in fact the President is the dominant political figure, his approvals are independent of everyone else's all the time.

How all this backlash against union busting helps Obama is in field mobilization and general voter enthusiasm.  It's an indirect spillover effect.

But this stuff was never going to affect anyone's opinion of Obama.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Strategic National
"UPDATE 3 @ 3:47 PM: "We did a random sample of voters who say they are likely to vote in the 2012 election. Theirs was based on 3 years ago, when McCain pulled out of MI," Yob said in response to PPP's modeling."

And there you have it. Likely voters.


Except that "Strategic National"
Essentially lied about PPP. PPP didn't "base" their sample composition on 2008 - PPP does not weight by party ID.

[ Parent ]
Sure
I wasn't defending them. Easy to massage the numbers when you get to decide who is likely to vote.

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I just loved this...
"I don't see how anyone would get between me and conservative principles.  They can go to the loon right, which is, as far as I'm concerned, like coming back around on the left."

He says this, but Greg Sowards seeks help from The Prosper Group, the same spamming fundraising outfit that "loon right" icons Allen West and Sharrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrron Angle use! Oh jeez, I hope he runs... And I hope teabaggers just stir up some real sh*t in that primary!

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


Is he talking about the Pauls?
They've done TX and KY, why not NM!

[ Parent ]
House '12 : Nate refutes the Enten model
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.n...

The original model per http://poughies.blogspot.com/2... was discussed here at SSP, I think.

Per some serious looking statistical data, Enten "stated that there was a 95 percent likelihood that Republicans would win between 228 and 248 seats."

snip

But sometimes statistical models are as skin-deep as models on the runway, and this one is such an example.

Nate uses the model to "retrodict" what it would have suggested for '48:

The model would have predicted that Republicans, who then held the majority in the House, would have maintained it by winning 241 seats. Instead, they lost 75 seats to Harry Truman's Democrats and wound up with just 171.


I haven't yet read Nate's write-up, but why not just go back to 2009???......
What would Enten's model have predicted in March 2009 for the 2010 cycle?  I bet he would've pegged Democrats to hold the House by a comfortable margin, even if losing seats in the double-digits.

At this early stage, a well-informed human mind just thinking things through has better predictive power than any statistical or other model.

The best bet as of today is that Obama and the GOP House both are preserved after the next election, with Senate control a tossup.  And this is based on a guess that the economy with recover enough to keep the electorate calm, and also that there won't be any national or world events, or choices of political initiatives by Congress or the President, to shake up opinions of Obama or Congress significantly in either direction.  All those guesses could be wrong.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Newt Gingrich Joins Forces with Nancy Pelosi
Newt Gingrich joined forces with Nancy Pelosi to address climate change--a few years ago, of course. This is a nice catch by Matt Yglesias, on the heels of his Think Progress friends who highlight his flip flop on Libya.

I'm not really sure about his chances of winning the nomination. They are surely better than those of Bachmann but definitely less than those of Pawlenty or Romney. But in addition to his outrageous, idiotic statements about Obama (i.e. his Keynan nationalism or whatever) and his hilariously scandalous personal life, clips like this allow for several things to happen, chief among them driving a wedge between Gingrich and his base and Independent voters as well as being widely open to the charge of him being a flip-flopper. I just hope the higher ups in the Democratic party are willing to stick with a narrative like that, if it comes to it. The material is there, but is the will?

http://yglesias.thinkprogress....

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


A while back, I thought Gingrich might stand a chance, but I'm doubtful now
Note how muted the response was to his website launch - the buzz didn't last for even 24 hours. There's just no enthusiasm or urgency behind his likely candidacy. The Tea Partiers want the fresher faces, moderates want Romney and the establishment wants Daniels or Christie (and if they can't get them, Romney's OK). Gingrich really has nobody. I think he's in for a Dick Gephardt '04 performance. Watch him garner 10% in Iowa and 15% in South Carolina.

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[ Parent ]
bahahahaha, I completely forgot about this
And this surely is going to damage Pawlenty*, as well, because T-Paw was a rather pro-environment governor in MN and he'll get brought up in every article Gringrich does on the subject.  Gotta keep it unbiased.  ;)

*I highly doubt he was an environmentalist by choice, as if the legislature is sending you legislation to sign, you can't be the asshole who vetoes cutting pollution.  And what other state voted in 2008, in these economic times, to raise the sales taxes for the environment?  Not education, not health care, public parks and lakes.


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WI-State Sen.: Hopper's mistress did not formally apply for state job.
Not only did she get accepted to a state job and is getting paid 35% more than her predecessor, but she leapfrogged all who actually formally applied for the job.
http://addins.wkow.com/blogs/s...

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


This is already a bad story
But is it possible there is more going on?  I mean ocne the whole thing was outer why does she get a govt job?  Or is my timeline backwards?  

Ironically, it seems like her (former) lobbying firm is the most ethical entity in this fiasco...seems like they terminated her and removed all traces of her existence at the firm while everyone else seems to be protecting/bribing her still


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VA-Sen
It looks like Rep. Bobby Scott is considering entering the race and will decide by July.  I'm not sure how serious he is about running or if he's annoyed that he hasn't been talked up by anyone except Doug Wilder for the seat.

That said, if he ran against Kaine in a primary, I think he would have a decent shot at winning.  I also think he would have a good chance in the general, but there's no polling on that.  I'm guessing his name rec is the same or lower than Pereillo's.

26, Male, Democrat, VA-08


Well, i doubt that
Scott is not so well known, very liberal and black in addition. Not the best combination for (still) mostly southern state.

[ Parent ]
Yep
being a black candidate is a huge problem.  

26, Male, Democrat, VA-08

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Obama didn't run for Virgnia's Senator and 2008 was very good
Democratic year. Wilder was essentially a conservative. I expected exactly these two examples and both are bad...

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Wilder was a populist.
He isn't conservative, he's just loopy.  He is one of the few people who criticizes Dems from the right and the left depending on the season.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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Congressman Scott got over
80% of the white vote in his race 2010.  He showed clearly that being an AA in the South is not a hindrance.  Maybe even a plus.  Oops that was Tim Scott from South Carolina.  Looks like Bobby Scott got more like 30% of the white vote in 2010.

I think my little "error" showed that being a black liberal in the South can be a handicap in a GE.  Just being a black candidate is not a handicap.  I might add that Jim Moran would have the same handicap that Bobby Scott has. Virginia rarely elects down the line 100% liberals to statewide office.  That's what would be Bobby Scott's handicap.

I do think Bobby Scott is intelligent and articulate.  He has some obstacles, long term serving congressman, between him and a ranking position on his committee assignments.  I am sure he finds that frustrating but I suspect he will continue to serve in the house.  


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I think Bobby Scott
would be a weak candidate. Simply a poor fit, in terms of being well-known, having the financial resources, etc. I hope that Kaine finally makes up his damned mind.  

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Maybe
but I can't imagine he'll have fund raising issues.  He's been in Congress for 20 years and was in the state leg. for another 10.

26, Male, Democrat, VA-08

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Meek
I'd imagine he would be Kendrick Meek 2012

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Would he even try to primary Kaine?
My impression is that Kaine is a field clearer, so perhaps the better question is if Kaine doesn't run but Perriello does, will Scott go up against him?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Honestly I don't know
if he would primary Kaine.  That's how I read it though.

26, Male, Democrat, VA-08

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There comes a point
When a House member has too much power and seniority to give up to become a freshman Senator. By 2012, Scott will be 65 and will have been in the House for 20 years.

He's a great guy, but running doesn't make any sense.


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Reminds me of Corrine Brown
Black person whose pissed they need a super safe district to get to Congress and have no shot of moving beyond that.  As a gay person, I sympathize, but this is pure identity politics.

And while a comparison is warranted between him winning statewide versus Obama winning statewide, Obama has, over time, properly tailored himself as a guy from Illinois running for President who can win statewide, while Scott has been representing uber liberal and out of touch statewide VA-3.  They're both black and running statewide, but there would be a contrast in how they are portrayed.  Especially since the media is always trying to be non-biased, so major VA media outlets endorsing Obama and Allen, in the face of Scott, does not seem as far fetched.


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Probably should have concluded with
He is not going to run; he just wants the same attention the white guys are getting.  Hell, this almost makes me feel bad for Artur Davis.  Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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Been watching Massie staff up in MA-Sen
He's way out ahead of the rest in getting campaign infrastructure in place.  He's got a really good campaign director, and they're moving fast to lock up support from the institutional progressive world.  He's got a long way to go, but I'm seeing him as a much more serious candidate than he originally seemed.

From MO-3, college in CT-3, lived in NH-1, NH-2, PA-2, and MA-8 in the 3 years since.

Massie's Quest
He's got a really good campaign director, and they're moving fast to lock up support from the institutional progressive world.

That's crucial, especially as the House delegation continues the staring contest. None of them want to declare for Senate because they know the minute they do, there's really no turning back because their district is the one that gets put on the chopping block immediately.

Fundraising from the progressive grassroots will also be important. There are plenty of potential candidates who will find it easier to tap into corporate money (although I imagine Scott Brown's going to get a lot more of that than any Democrat) and/or union money.

Robert Reich's '02 campaign for the Dem nomination for Governor, which fell just short, is a good template for Massie. The Dem electorate has moved more in that direction in the intervening eight years, as evidenced by the successes of Deval Patrick.  It would obviously help if more than one person from amongst the party regulars was in the race.  

36, M, Democrat, MD-03


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Its more the center hasn't held
The dominant ideology in MA from 1974(when school busing swept Kennedy and Volke liberals - Democrats and Replicans alike, from local office) the dominant political ideology was being a Conservative Democrat.

Massachusetts was one of several states never to repeal its complete ban on legal abortion and had a pro-life majority in the state house until 2004.

The Gay marriage debate transformed things. It got liberals active in Democratic primaries where at least in the suburbs, they overpowered traditional ethnic democrats and gained a lot of power. As consequence there was a political transformation at the local and legislative level between 2004 and 2009.

There was discontent however. Many ethnic and working-class Democrats disliked being displaced. The same discontent with  the Bush-led GOP kept them on the plantation the same way it caused problems for the Republicans in places MS-1, but there were already signs of trouble in 2008. Obama was crushed 57-41, after Kennedy, Kerry, Patrick, and the whole liberal wing of the party endorsed him, and Clinton's map resembled Brown's 2009 one pretty closely.

What is happening in Massachusetts is that both hard-core Liberals and Conservatives are gaining strength rapidly at the expense of the old center. What the 2010 losses disguise is that in the overall congressional vote it was the best year for the GOP since the 1960s, and in down-ballot races two Republicans topped 45%. Only one person has managed that in 30 years. What exists of the Republican vote is becoming more solid, which one reason everyone is treading so carefully with redistricting. No longer can you count on GOP candidates running 5-10 points or so behind their Presidential candidates as was the case early in the decade.

26 Right-leaning, Euro-Conservative, Anti-Tea Party Independent


[ Parent ]
Massachusetts Republicans
What does this mean for Massachusetts Republicans, at least at the statewide level?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
It probably means we'll be a more respectable minority
Barring a major partisan re-alignment, I don't see Massachusetts becoming a swing state in the foreseeable future. But I think the state GOP is finally starting to establish the geographic bases of support that it has lacked for a long time (the remarkable thing about elections in MA is that Democrats get 58% of the vote pretty much everywhere.) I think you will see the Merrimack Valley, the North Shore, Plymouth County, western Norfolk County, outer Worcester County, and the Springfield suburbs become reliable Republican even in races the Democrats are cruising in statewide, and the Republican bench of the next generation emerge from these areas. I think if the state GOP gets its house in order it can win the majority of state legislative seats in these areas and end the embarrassing numbers we have in both chambers right now. Statewide is always going to be tough because of the sheer number of Democrats, but I think Scott Brown provided the model for how a Republican can win every once in a while.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
Do you imagine
that the sort of Republican that could win statewide will be more like a liberal Weld Republican or a more conservative Scott Brown Republican? I would think the former, even if the candidate in question is slightly less liberal.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
It depends on their style
Certainly, Massachusetts would never elect a religious right or Tea Party-type conservative. But they could elect someone like Brown again if, like Brown, they knew how to be conservative without scaring moderate voters away. Brown stayed laser-focused on jobs and opposing HCR in 2010, and those were both winning issues for him. He had enough charisma to set the narrative of the campaign before Coakley and the Democrats could define him, so his conservative positions in other areas never became an issue (BTW, I do not consider Brown to be all that conservative, especially compared to the rest of the Republican Senators.)

Compare him to Charlie Baker, a Weld-style moderate who fit the state better than Brown or Romney but lost anyway because he was a lousy campaigner who couldn't connect with voters and allowed Patrick to connect him to the Big Dig, which is political death in MA.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


[ Parent ]
If your in Indiana
and want to draw state legislative maps. The state government have opened up three locations. They are located at the IU Bloomington library, the IU South Bend library, and the IUPUI library.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

most bizarre story I've seen today
Link:

A man who ran as a write-in candidate for U.S. Senate in Iowa has been sentenced to three days in jail and fined $350 for disturbing the peace of a student on the University of Nebraska-Lincoln campus last fall. [...]

UNL police said Storey was campaigning on campus when he saw a student worker removing his signs from university property and threatened her. Campaign signs aren't allowed on university property. The student reported the incident to police.

It was not clear why Storey was campaigning in Nebraska.

The guy lives in Council Bluffs, which is just across the river from Omaha, Nebraska, but Lincoln's quite a bit further away.


Mike Ross screwed Democrats in redistricting
http://bluearkansasblog.com/?p...

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

Well, Attempted to screw Democrats
Looking at the map, it looks like Democratic legislators compromised a bit with Ross from what they originally planned, but not enough to do any lasting damage in the 1st and 2nd.

So they didn't sell the farm to him, just compromised some.

I now hope that the Senate sees this and tells Ross to go away from the process and draws a map that they like.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
He didn't full-on screw them, thankfully.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
From the article
I gather that the Dems in the process through him a measley bone, but were too mad at him to give him what he wanted.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
They should have told him too fucking bad
He isn't Governor nor in the legislature; that's politics so grow up.

[ Parent ]
Thank goodness they didn't give in much.
I just hope that they ignore him for the rest of the process or better yet just undo the concession they gave him.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Wow, Indiana pols sure love to try to meddle with Walker.
First, that IN State Deputy A-G suggested that Walker use live ammunition on protestors.  Now, an IN prosecutor sent an email calling on Walker to stage a false flag assault on himself and pin it on the unions.

http://www.wisconsinwatch.org/...

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Census report on Hispanics and Race
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen...

According to it 53% listed white-only as their race, while 36% chose other(including Mexican, Latino, etc.)

There are serious problems with how we talk about hispanics. They are not a race, or a cohesive group. Generally self-identifying they vote about 64-36 Democratic, but that disguises the fact that there are two hispanic populations, only one of which self-identifies.

White Hispanics tend from the limited data available(results in wards in Texas and Arizona) to vote only four or five points more Democratic than whites as a whole, and marginally more Republican than the population at large. This does not get measured because exit polls are self-selecting and they select white, but they do show up. Despite massive growth in the Hispanic population, the % of the Texas electorate that is Hispanic has stayed pretty stable since 1994, when it was 17%.

On the other side you have hispanics who identify as non-white, and vote like, well non-whites. They skew the total numbers.

I think that the VRA may be extremly vulnerable to challenge to its applicability to individuals of Hispanic descent on the basis that a majority identified as white on the census. With the current court, such a suit might at a minimum force Justice Department to only count individuals who put down Latino or Other as a race, which would in  effect cut the hispanic population, and the number of VRA seats, in half.

26 Right-leaning, Euro-Conservative, Anti-Tea Party Independent


Not so.
The court in its current composition had that opportunity in LUCA Vs. Perry, but did not take it.

Besides, VRA is not based on the guarantee of non-Caucasian races voting a certain way (see Florida).  It is based on ensuring that they get fairer representation and avoid having their communities cut apart by the tendrils from other districts.

Just because a certain Hispanic group votes less Dem than the others doesn't mean they aren't entitled to the same voting and representative protections (again, see Florida).


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[ Parent ]
I just saw a Planned Parenthood
ad against Mike Pence. I'm guessing they are anticipating a gubernatorial bid from him.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

Denver Mayor Poll: Chris Romer leading.
Although a runoff looks likely.
http://coloradopols.com/diary/...

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Wisconsin Treasurer wants to eliminate his job
http://www.businessweek.com/ap...

Specifically, he wants to eliminate the elected positions of Treasurer and Secretary of State.


Its what he ran on
also the reason he was one of only like two republicans I voted for.

20, male, independent, WI-07.

[ Parent ]
You support the eleminination
of the elected offices of Secretary of State and Treaserer?

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
WI SoS doesn't even run elections
I think the main duty is to maintain the state seal.  

As for Treasurer, it is too bad about that guy, since he beat one of my favorite stories, out-of-the-phone-book Treasurer Dawn Marie Sass.

25, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)


[ Parent ]
The SoS
also has the authority to publish laws.  No law is enacted until he/she publishes it.

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[ Parent ]
Speaking of
the Union busting bill was published against a court order.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
It wasn't, I think.
LaFollette said he will not publish it until a court rules that he should.

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[ Parent ]
The reference bureau published it.


19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
I just read that.
Yes, very shady looking.  It could be in contempt, but I leave that to the judge who ruled.

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[ Parent ]
Apparently, it's illegal
LRB publication without instruction from the Secretary of State has no force of law.  So, back to court.

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Well Treasuer
for sure, SoS maybe not but its current state needs to change.  Anyways if he fails and isn't lying about serving one term he will be gone next election anyways.

20, male, independent, WI-07.

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Redsitricting: Louisiana black caucus
looking for map with a second black majority congressional district, ref http://www.nola.com/politics/i...

(as noted on RRH) -- sounds like an opportunity here for those who've created such in LA

Rep. Patricia Smith, D-Baton Rouge, said Tony Fairfax of the Maryland-based Census Channel will be in the state to start reviewing census figures and other data to see whether a second minority district can be drawn.

The consultant also will look at where new majority-minority statehouse districts can be drawn, possibly in the Baton Rouge and Shreveport areas to offset the expected loss of three black-majority House seats and at least one minority Senate seat in the New Orleans area because of a loss of population after the 2005 hurricanes.



Canada-PM: No confidence debate on CSpan
10 am pacific (1pm eastern)

MI-Pres: Obama at 47/45 approval, up 7, 9, 16, 20 over Mitt, Huck, Newt, Sarah
http://publicpolicypolling.blo...

This really doesn't look like prime territory for a GOP pick-up. Romney would contest it, sure, but Obama's doing curiously well among Independents here. I think he's bleeding some white Democrats but they'd still back him over anyone but Romney. Lean D.

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Mitt Romney in Michigan
I can only imagine that's the high point for his numbers in the state, unless he were up against Obama who was dropping all over the nation at the time. A tough campaign would probably bring down his numbers regardless, but does the Democratic party need to do much of anything besides what it usually does, plus putting up billboards in the auto production areas with a picture of Mitt Romney with a shit-eating grin and the "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" headline and talk about deficit reduction in the more moderate Republican areas?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Yep
Romney's own disparagement of Detroit will just kill him there if he's the nominee. Detroit may no longer be a massive component of the statewide population, but a lot of Michiganders lost their jobs, and a lot more would have lost their jobs if someone like Mitt Romney had been calling the shots.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

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