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Redistricting outlook: Mass.-Minn.

by: Nathaniel90

Mon Feb 21, 2011 at 4:40 PM EST


Now that it's 2011, the redistricting games will soon begin in earnest, with more detailed Census data expected in the coming weeks and some states holding spring legislative sessions to deal with drawing new maps. Long ago I planned to do state-by-state rundowns of the redistricting process as soon as 2010 election results and Census reapportionment were clear. Now that time has arrived, and it's time to look at Massachusetts, Michigan, and Minnesota.

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Nathaniel90 :: Redistricting outlook: Mass.-Minn.
Massachusetts

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Districts: 9 (down from 10 in 2002)
Who's in charge? Democrats
Is that important? Not from a partisan perspective, no

For a state with an all-Democratic delegation being remapped by Democratic lawmakers, there's been a surprising amount of drama in the Bay State over whose district will be cut. It was hoped that an older member would announce his retirement, allowing a clean elimination without any messy incumbent vs. incumbent primaries. But Financial Services Committee ranking member Barney Frank, long speculated to be the next retiree, announced he will run again, and so far no member of the congressional delegation appears ready to challenge Sen. Scott Brown, though Mike Capuano's name is still in the running. Should he go for it, his Boston seat will simply be split up between Frank and Stephen Lynch. In any case, all nine districts should remain strongly Democratic-leaning.

Michigan

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Districts: 14 (down from 15 in 2002)
Who's in charge? Republicans
Is that important? Yes

As was the case ten years ago, Republicans will draw the lines in Michigan, but unlike then, they really have no room to make gains, only to eliminate one more Democratic incumbent. In most estimations, that incumbent will be two-termer Gary Peters, the only Democrat (other than Hansen Clarke, whose district is VRA-protected) in the state's delegation elected after 1982. A likely scenario is that his Oakland County swing district will be combined with Sander Levin's heavily Democratic Macomb County territory in a safe blue seat. Levin's liberal record and thirty years of seniority should make him a prohibitive favorite over Peters in the Democratic primary, but I suppose at 81 he will be prime congressional retirement age. Other than that, the GOP cannot afford to get too cute with boundaries -- they already hold several marginal seats (the 1st, 7th, and 11th come to mind).

Minnesota

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Districts: 8
Who's in charge? Split (Dem Governor, GOP Legislature)
Is that important? Surely

Democrats are counting their lucky stars that Mark Dayton won the gubernatorial race, as the GOP has long aimed to combine Minneapolis and St. Paul into one heavily Democratic seat and now will presumably not have that opportunity. Ten years ago, a three-way deadlock between Independent Gov. Jesse Ventura, a Democratic Senate, and a Republican House forced the courts to step in, but many hope for compromise this time around. Since the state's high Census participation rate saved it from losing a seat, status quo will probably win the day, with safer seats for Tim Walz, Chip Cravaack, and perhaps Collin Peterson. Ironically, Minnesota just held on to its eighth seat at the expense of fast-growing but lower-participating North Carolina, which was the controversial winner over Utah for the last seat allocated in the 2000 Census.

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There is buzz in Minnesota
about Tarryl Clark.  She raised millions in her 2010 6th district congressional campaign and her Stearns county home is on the edge of two other congressional seats (the 7th & 8th).  Several leading democrats have declined to committ to a two year race against Freshman congressman Craavack in the 8th district.  Clark could move over to that race is Eastern Stearns county ended up in that seat.

Nothing will be easy in MN with split party control so nothing is too certain.  There would have to be a swap of counties between the 8th , 7th & 6th districts to accomdate a Clark run.  That's by no means a done deal but rumours are flying.  

I think unless a deal for Clark's Stearn's county area is made we will see a status quo map but even that is not as easy saying it.  CD7 needs to gain a good bit of population and unless it comes from CD8 it will be republican.  


Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Democratic nominee in the 8th will never, ever be Tarryl Clark.
The political bosses in the Iron Range would FUME over that, and would do everything in their power to prevent it. Also, voters in the Iron Range would want one of their own as the nominee against Cravaack. Clark lives in an AWFUL location for wanting to move up.

I miss SSP. Republican, IL-10

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You could be right but
as I mentioned the other day the Iron Range counties are less then 1/3 of the district.  That's why Craavack won.  The district has changed and no one noticed!!!

So I do agree its not likely but  its still possible.  


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Minnesota
status quo will probably win the day

If by 'status quo' you mean a court-drawn map, which is what happens in Minnesota whenever there's split control, then you're surely right: Several lawsuits are already working their way through both federal and state courts.

If, on the other hand, by 'status quo' you mean that Democrats & Republicans will come together, sing kumbaya, and draw a map to protect the current delegation, then I don't think that has much connection to Minnesota reality.

The biggest question mark with Minnesota will be who wins the race to get a favorable court venue.


RM that's a good question.
To court or not to court.    MN has budget woes like WI but has split control and the early signs are that stalemate is evitable.  That's not a good sign for redistricting agreements.  The D governor and republican legislators are loggerheads.

Yet I think a legislative compromise is still possible.  The ball is clearly in the court of Walz and Petersen.  If these two congressman push a compromise plan it gets done.  If not the court will do a plan.  

The plans for NY, IL and CA congressional plans came out of nowhere in 2001.  Congressman got together cobbled a plan and it got passed.  I have seen states that looked like compromise would never get done get it done without going to court.  So right now I see MN as about 50-50 as to whether a compromise happens.  Watch the congressman.  


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As a Minnesota resident
I put the "compromise" at about 1-2% likely hood. The lawsuits are already filed. The courts will draw the maps, as they do every decade here in Minnesota.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


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Again you be right.
1 to 2 % is pretty low odds. Its going to come down to D incumbents specifically Peterson.  He has to ponder how the courts will add +50K to his congressional district.

a. Walz's district's SW rural counties.  That would make his seat less repubican and could affect Walz's if suburban areas are added to MN1.

b. Suburban areas now in CD6 or CD2. That could make Peterson's district more republican.  

c. Western Part of Stearns county.  That could make his district more republican.  

d. Western edge of MN8-which would make Peterson's district slightly more republican but would drop MN8 into strong GOP area.

e. NW MN8. This is strong D area and Peterson would love to get it. MN8 lose Koocching and part of Itasco county. MN8 would gain GOP leaning suburbs.  Big win for Peterson & big win for Kravaack

The question is what will the judges do?  You have 5 choices list above.  What will they choose.  Will they make CD7 more democratic or more republican?  I say the judges will not endanger Peterson.  They will add D areas.


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I'll play along
a) Possible that the 7th comes down the Iowa border, but unlikely. The SW corner of the state is the ancestral home to the 2nd(!) district. It was added to the 1st just a decade ago due to the loss of the "four-corners" configuration Minnesota had long had. So it really isn't a natural fit for either the 1st or the 7th. It is all farmland, and both Walz and Peterson both represent lots of farmers already. Unlike farmland in places like Kansas, or Nebraska, these counties are very moderate (some voting for Obama, others for McCain), and none of them provide massive amounts of net votes either way. This wouldn't really affect Walz' PVI, other than maybe make it more Republican by forcing him up into the exurbs. Walz lives in Mankato, and appeals to outstate voters moreso than metro voters.

b) Not going to happen. Moving on.

C) My odds-on favorite, and most likely. Everything other than St. Cloud in Stearns county is farm land, and small communities buried within farmland. Peterson connects with farmers at an unreal level. Adding the rest of Stearns COunty would be the best bet. Yes it may shift the PVI by a half a point, but the farmers in western Stearns County already vote for him, and the ones in central and eastern Stears County would do the same.

d) Not likely, unless something freakish happens with the courts. First thing's first, it's "Koochiching" and "Itasca. This is a huge communities of interest issue. From Beltrami County west is farm land. From Beltrami County East is North Woods, and Iron Range county. The groups do not mesh well together (and that is a huge understatement, this is my home district). Splitting the Iron Range won't happen (Itasca County/Koochiching County and Eastard). The odds of the Iron Range being fed to the farmers out west is less than a .000001% chance. The courts that draw these maps take communities of interest very seriously, and these are 2 communities are simply don't belong together. Peterson doesn't want the whole Iron Range either. He is a farmer, and a social conservative. Neither of those are virtues in this district. He very well may lose a primary from the left from someone like Reinert.

As to you r preface, Peterson is not in danger, and he wouldn't be in danger with adding the rest of Stearns County (he already represents the western portion, and wins it handily), so no one is going to try and shore him Up. Cravaack is in deep trouble unless Bachmann doesn't run for reelection and his home gets put in the 6th. If the 8th resembles anything like it does now, he will surely lose by a large margin.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


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How the hell did Cravaack win anyways?
None of the Dems winning statewide from governor on down lost the district. I know some of the rural/exurban parts of the district outside of the Iron Range moved sharply against Oerstar, but still. Is Cravaack just a really good politician, or did Oberstar just get lazy or what?

http://www.northlandsnewscente...

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


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Oberstar
The man condemned the (public) crowd openly at a debate. It showed that he really was distanced from the district. People just got sick of Oberstar, and Cravaack was the fortunate beneficiary.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


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Oberstar got lazy.
He disregarded internal polls saying the race was roughly tied.  Also, at a debate, some teabaggers tried to do what they do best and act like jackasses by drowning him out and hoping to make him angry.  He got furious and yelled at them.  He forgot one of the key rules of stress-ridden campaigning:  Never lash out, even if your opponent(s) are acting like total a-holes.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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He should have taken a leaf from Dina Titus
At a public forum with her, some teabagger from out of her district came in with a camera and tried to press her over and over and over about whether she would suppor Pelosi as Speaker again.  Titus kept calm and collected and pointed out that there was far more pressing questions for her to answer first from her constituents (gesturing to the constituents who were all staring in annoyance at this teabagger).

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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I appreciate the response and
you could be right.  Judges are fickle.  Did I mention Beltrami county?  Its split halfway between CD7 & CD8 right now. Will the judges leave that county split?  I think its a sure thing they put the balance of that county in CD7.  If they do that maybe they add Hubbard & Wadena to CD7 or maybe they do Koochiching county?  

I don't know for sure.  I made that clear but I learned a long time ago not to say "never" in redistricting matters or politics in general.  Someone told  me in 1975 that some peanut family from Georgia would never be President.  I think that same guy told me that no has been second rate actor would ever be President. So I guess we will see what happens.  

I say again its the incumbents in MN to watch.  If they push a bipartisan plan its gets done whether its in the legislature or in the  courts.  



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Beltrami County
I see Beltrami still being the county that is split one way or another to get the populations exactly right. Hubbard County could easily go either way. Wadena County could easily go either way. Koochiching is a no-no. That would be splitting the Iron Range.

Incumbents really don't get a say, if the 2001 redistricting process has anything to say about it. And I don't see them trying to shore up the representatives (courts generally don't take that into consideration). But shoring up the current 4-4 delegation would be very difficult, and go against a LOT of communities of interest. I see the courts drawing a similar map to what they did ten years ago, with just shifts for population.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


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I've had a soft spot for Gary Peters...
Since 2008. He seems like he actually cares about doing his job in DC, and IMHO it would be sad to see him go just b/c The Detroit Machine prefers to protect other incumbents. I do hope he finds a way to hang in there.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


Peters.
Has said that whether he runs for Congress again, he will run for SOMETHING in 2012. Since Michigan has no statewide races other then the presidential and Senate races (plus maybe some state supreme court races; i'd have to check), if he doesn't run for congress he most likely will run for Oakland County Executive. He's ambitious and has run for statewide office in the past, and if he can knock off Patterson (who he's had a running feud with for the past few years), it'd make him a stronger contender against Snyder or Schuette in 2014 than just being a member of congress.

http://www.politico.com/news/s...

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


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So at least he'll have a future...
Somewhere. Funny enough, his situation sounds very similar to what Dina Titus is facing here in Nevada. She was as fortunate as he was in surviving last fall, but she wants to run for Congress again... But the political powers that be here do NOT. But no matter what Dina's final decision is, she will continue to be the "free agent" that activists love and the establishment fears.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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Even if he is axed, blaming it on "The Detroit Machine" is entirely inappropriate
It will be because of the Republican governor and state legislature, both now and in 2000. Michigan heavily gerrymandered in order to support an 9 R - 6 D delegation. And it will have to be even more heavily gerrymandered to support a 9 R - 5 D delegation. This is, after all, a state that hasn't voted for a Republican for president in over 30 years.

And it will be because of straightforward geographical concerns. Two of the six remaining Democratic districts are based in Detroit-proper, with PVIs of more than D+30. Three more are Detroit's southern suburbs plus Ann Arbor, the innermost belt of northern Detroit suburbs, and Flint-Saginaw-Bay City. Those all have PVIs that favor the Democrats in low teens. And then there's Peters with a D+2 district. If the Republicans are going to axe a Democratic, he's really their only choice. (Although I personally think that they'd be much smarter to axe one of their own and try to shore up the others -- four of their incumbents have PVIs between even and R+2. This similar to the theory that the Ohio Republicans really ought to create a safe D Columbus district.)

Even if you're talking about the primary, that won't be "The Detroit Machine" either. That would be about the Oakland and Macomb County Democratic parties, not the Detroit one.  

30, male, MI-11 (previously VA-08). Evangelical, postconservative, green.


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Someone wrote in a diary
that a 9R-5D split is unsustainable since it puts too many GOPers at risk just to try to help out Walberg.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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If anything...
I'd think the state Democrats would want Levin to step aside if Peters wanted to run for congress again. He's 79, his southern Oakland County base is likely to be torn to pieces (especially if Republicans get really ambitious and push Conyer's district up into Southfield) and if he did beat Peters, which I'm not 100% sure he would since the UAW aren't exactly his biggest fans and a lot of people just think he's keeping his seat warm for his son Andy, he'd most likely be ending the career of one of the Dem's brightest spots in 2010 (anyone heard from Lynn Rivers lately?). Plus, I'm not sure how strong the Detroit "machine" really is; they did a stellar job pulling Andy Dillon over the finish line last year.

The people who should be the maddest should be Democrats in Macomb County, who have a Republican rep in the north and a Dem from Oakland in the south even though Macomb has a high enough population to create a district entirely within the county (or did, have to see the new census numbers for Michigan when they come out).

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


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