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SSP Daily Digest: 2/15

by: Crisitunity

Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 4:43 PM EST


AZ-Sen: A GOP polling firm, Summit Consulting, is out with a poll that gives Maricopa Co. Sheriff Joe Arpaio the lead in the nascent Republican field to replace the retiring Jon Kyl. Arpaio is at 21, with Rep. Jeff Flake and ex-Rep J.D. Hayworth both at 17, ex-Rep. John Shadegg at 12, and Rep. Ben Quayle at 6. An Arpaio-free version found Flake at 22, Hayworth at 20, and Shadegg (who has made clear that he's not running) at 17. Although this poll wasn't announced as being on anyone's behalf, there's an important caveat: Summit is raising money for Arpaio's re-election campaign as Sheriff. This seems a consistent pattern for Arpaio over the years: float his name for higher office, rake in contributions, apply those toward his next Sheriff campaign, rinse and repeat. Meanwhile, although previous reports had had him unlikely to run for Senate, Rep. Trent Franks from current AZ-02 is now on the record as "exploring that option."

ME-Sen: Here's an amusing tidbit about Andrew Ian Dodge, now running a tea party challenge of sorts to Olympia Snowe: he's the subject of some suspicion in certain right-wing circles on account of his British background (which may explain why he cheekily showed up with his birth certificate at his campaign launch). Prime evidence for this strange line of attack is a comment he posted to a blog several years ago where he copped to being a Lord of the Manor in Gorleston, Suffolk. (Politico's Dave Catanese titled his article on this "Snowe challenger is a British Lord..." which isn't quite right. "Lord of the Manor" isn't part of the peerage system (which just plain old "Lord" would be), but just a weird holdover from the feudal system of property rights, an indicator that someone in his family owned property there long ago). (One other thing I noted, though, thanks to the magic of Wikipedia: Gorleston is actually in Norfolk, not Suffolk. WHAT ELSE IS ANDREW IAN DODGE LYING ABOUT!!!!11!!!?!)

NE-Sen: We've mentioned state Sen. Deb Fischer before as a potential dark-horse candidate on the Republican side in Nebraska, and now she seems to be stepping things up, at least to the extent of contacting Roll Call and letting them know that she's interested. She represents the empty north-central part of the state, and could stand out as an interesting third-wheel in a Jon Bruning/Don Stenberg rumble by being the only rural and female candidate.

NM-Sen: PPP finally released the GOP primary portion of last week's New Mexico Senate poll, and... common theme in a lot of their polls... find the most electable candidate for the general losing the GOP primary because of various apostasies. Libertarian-flavored ex-Gov. Gary Johnson trails ex-Rep. Heather Wilson in a hypothetical 3-way, 35-27, with Rep. Steve Pearce at 17, Matt Chandler and Dianna Duran both at 6, and John Sanchez at 4. (Not that it matters, since Johnson has confirmed he's sticking with his long-shot presidential bid. In fact, unless Jeff Bingaman unexpectedly retires, I'd be surprised if any of these GOPers bothers to get in.)

NV-Sen: Rep. Dean Heller is out with an internal poll that has him way ahead of John Ensign in the GOP primary, and, accordingly, he seems to be accelerating his plans to run. The poll gives Heller a 53-38 lead in a head-to-head, and also sees him winning a 5-car pileup: it's Heller 39, Ensign 23, Danny Tarkanian 17, Sharron Angle 14, and John Chachas 3. Faced with the possibility of a much harder race against Heller than Ensign, possible Dem candidate Rep. Shelley Berkley is saying that it wouldn't dissuade her if Heller were the nominee, but she's continuing to "seriously look at" the race but is also in "no rush" to decide. You know who is in a rush, though? The DSCC. Jon Ralston says they're already talking to Democratic SoS Ross Miller too, in case they need a Plan B.

TX-Sen: Hmm, here's an interesting place for a Senate scoop to come from: the student newspaper at Claremont McKenna College in California. CMC alum Rep. David Dreier is the linchpin in this game of telephone: he told them that a fellow alum is indeed running for the Senate, and by process of elimination, that would point to former Dallas mayor Tom Leppert, considered a likely candidate on the GOP side. Leppert, however, wouldn't confirm to the student paper that he was running.

UT-Sen: Another Dan Jones poll in Utah takes a look at the Senate race, and this one isn't as weird as the last one (which included Jon Huntsman, who seems, to my eyes, to be running for Vice-President instead): it's a straightforward poll of Orrin Hatch vs. Jason Chaffetz (although it's still a poll of all Utah residents). At any rate, Hatch leads Chaffetz 44-34; among self-identified Republicans, Hatch actually does better, 51-35 (although trailing among "very conservative" voters). Of course, there are various ways this primary might still not happen; Chaffetz could break 60% at the state GOP convention, or Hatch could (a la Bob Bennett) finish third at the convention behind Chaffetz and a teabagger to be named later. Asked for comment, Chaffetz only said he's a "definite maybe" about the race, and may choose to stay in the House.

VA-Sen: We might have an answer pretty soon on whether Tim Kaine plans to run for the Senate, now that Jim Webb is out. He reportedly will consult with Barack Obama on the matter in the next couple days (gee, I wonder what Obama will suggest?), and Kaine also has announced plans to speak at the state's Jefferson-Jackson Dinner this weekend, which seems like a place to make a 'yes' announcement (as it would be kind of a buzzkill to go there and tell everyone 'no'). There are also rumors... poorly sourced ones at that, so don't get your hopes too high... out there of a GOP-sponsored poll showing not just Kaine but also Tom Perriello leading George Allen, so keep your ears to the ground for more on that.

MT-Gov: Add one more state Senator to the mix in the Montana gubernatorial race, this time on the Dem side. Larry Jent says he'd like to run statewide, and it'll probably be for governor. (He'd join other current or former state Sens. Dave Wanzenried on the Dem side, and Corey Stapleton and Ken Miller for the GOP.)

LA-03, LA-07: Two Louisiana papers have had articles in the last few days on Louisiana redistricting and its likeliest casualty, new Rep. Jeff Landry, who was elected with tea party rather than establishment backing and, accordingly, doesn't have much of a leg to stand on when the establishment draws the maps in the coming months. It's looking likelier that a map more favorable to the more senior (and tighter with leadership) Rep. Charles Boustany will be the result. The state's redistricting special session of the legislature will be held Mar. 20.

NY-15: While there's still plenty of time left for him to reverse course and announce his retirement (hint, hint), Charles Rangel yesterday announced that he's filing for re-election in 2012 to a 22nd term.

NY-26: While they've been downplaying their chances for success in the R+6 26th, local Dems are hard at work looking for a candidate. It's hard to tell who's on the short list right now, though: one list featured Erie Co. Comptroller Mark Poloncarz, Erie Co. Clerk Kathy Hochul, and Amherst town board member Mark Manna (the only one who actually lives in the district), but doesn't seem to feature oft-mentioned Kathy Konst. Another insider mentions two possible Dems Republican candidates from the private sector: Dan Humiston and Chris Jacobs. There's one familiar face you can scratch off the Dem list, though: 2008 candidate Jon Powers says he's not looking to be considered.

WA-02: Snohomish Co. Councilor and narrow 2010 loser John Koster is "weighing" another run against Rick Larsen, although he's waiting to see what the 2nd looks like after redistricting. The 2nd (currently D+3) needs to lose population, but it could become swingier if the losses come around Everett, or become bluer if the losses come in eastern Snohomish County.

Chicago mayor: One more new poll to report in Chicago, another one from We Ask America (on behalf of the Chicago Retail Merchants Association). It has the highest Rahm Emanuel number yet, at 58. Gery Chico is 2nd at 24, Miguel del Valle at 10, and Carol Moseley Braun at 6. The poll was in the field on Sunday, the same day that Moseley Braun, apparently by way of referring to The Producers, compared Emanuel to Hitler, so the impact of her latest gaffe may not even have impacted on this sample. (Given the current trajectory of her poll numbers, she may actually receive a negative number of votes at the actual election on Feb. 22.)

Special elections: There are not one but two special elections for vacant state Senate seats in California tonight, although neither one should offer much drama thanks to their strong partisan leans. The one you're probably already aware of is SD-28 in the LA's South Bay suburbs (overlapping much of CA-36), where Democratic ex-Assemblyman Ted Lieu is likely to fill the seat left by the death of Jenny Oropeza. He faces seven other candidates, so he might not break 50%, requiring a runoff then. The other race is in SD-17, centered on Lancaster in the high desert north of LA, where Republican Sharon Runner is expected to beat the only other candidate, Democrat Darren Parker. (Runner is trying to take over the seat from her husband George Runner, who vacated to join the state Board of Equalization.)

Nebraska: Believe it or not, there are multiple interesting things afoot in Nebraska. Most significantly, the proposal to switch Nebraska to a winner-take-all allocation of electoral votes (instead of allotting some by CD, which allowed Barack Obama to sneak away with 1 Omaha-area EV) is entering committee; it's expected to be easily approved by the ostensibly nonpartisan but Republican-controlled unicameral legislature. There are also competing bills in the legislature on changing the size of said legislature, one to reduce it from 49 to 45, the other to expand it to 50 (neither one is expected to go anywhere, though). Also, Nebraska just picked its nine members for its redistricting commission; there will be five Republicans and four Dems on the (again, ostensibly nonpartisan) body.

WATN?: Ex-Rep. Mike Arcuri, who lost in NY-24 in November, is now working in the private sector at a major law firm in Syracuse. It may be a tea leaf that he might be interested in another run that he's staying in the area instead of heading for the more lucrative world of K St., or it might be nothing. At any rate, he's doing better for himself than Republican 2006 CA-47 loser Tan Nguyen, who just got sentenced to one year and one day in federal prison for obstruction of justice related to charges of voter fraud, for sending out flyers intended to suppress the district's Latino vote.

Polltopia: If you think that polling was way screwier than usual over the 2010 cycle, or that it was better than ever, you're both wrong. It was pretty much the same as always, according to Mark Blumenthal. According to a study by National Council on Public Polls, the average candidate error in 2010 was 2.1%, very comparable to other midterm elections. (The accuracy seems to improve in presidential years, perhaps thanks to more frequent polling.) Interestingly, though, even though the error rate didn't change much, there were many more polls (25% this cycle, compared with 11% in 2006) conducted in the last week before the election with results that fell outside the margin of error (cough Rasmussen cough). They found that live interview polls (2.4%) did slightly better than autodialed polls (2.6%), but, surprisingly, polls conducted over the internet (mostly just YouGov) did the best with a 1.7% error rate.

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George Allen
Reports of his strength are greatly exaggerated.

You will find the despair on display here amusing.
http://motherjones.com/kevin-d...


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Oh brother
I hate the smell of surrender at any time of the day.

[ Parent ]
I love Kevin Drum
But someone needs to tell him to get some better sources in Virginia  

[ Parent ]
Good to see Kaine looking at it.
He's the top logical choice.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
plus deval patrick's looking at DNC Chair
it does make a Kaine candidacy more likely.  

http://politicalwire.com/archi...

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.


[ Parent ]
Hmmm....
How would Patrick do as DNC Chair, do you think?  Also, what are the succession laws there?

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
I think he'd do both.
I recall that Kaine was DNC chairman from 2009, when he was also governor, but Kaine was in Virginia, right near DC.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
I would hope not.
I want a full time DNC chair during the presidential campaign (not part time like Kaine was during the beginning of the off year campaign). I would think Obama would as well since the job of the DNC is to get the president reelected.

[ Parent ]
while i agree with your logic
if i was from MASS, I'd hate to have my newly re-elected governor leave office a few months after re-inauguration just to head up the national chairmanship.  I think the best thing would be for him to wait until after his term ends, around 2015 to be DNC chair.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
in that case
Obama should just pick someone other than Patrick (if Kaine resigns to run for Senate).
Hmm, now that Rahm Emanual is gone from the White House, I wonder if Dean is still a persona non grata?

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Also
Kaine was only in both roles for a couple of months. He was on his way out as Gov when he started as DNC chair. Patrick would have a while left as governor.

It would be interesting if he resigned and triggered an election for governor, because that could help draw Democrats out of a crowded primary field for Senator.

Male, VA-08


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way more than a couple months
He started as DNC chairman Jan 2009
He was VA Gov through Jan 2010

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like watching ice melt
Patrick leaves, his LG takes over. Murray has been fundraising like an animal since day 1 of the Patrick administration's first term.

And there wont be an interesting primary. Galvin, nope. Coakley, ha. Grossman, staying put. Bump, hahaha.

Yep, Patrick leaves then it will only prove all his critics correct that he is going to bail (and leave egg on the face of all of us activists who worked so hard for him)


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Dual role perhaps
Kaine did it to begin with and Martinez did it on the other side. Granted, with shall we say little success.

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Patrick
The rumor here has been for a while that he's looking for a way out and is waiting for the right offer from Obama, who he is close with. Patrick came in as an idealist with no experience in state politics, and quickly got frustrated after realizing that having Democratic supermajorities in both houses of the state legislature does not always equal easy governing. He's since gotten much better at working with rather than against that state's political machine, but would probably still jump at an opportunity like this one.

We don't have special gubernatorial election in Mass. If Patrick resigned, LG Tim Murray would become "acting Governor," like Paul Cellucci and Jane Swift were, until 2014, when he'd be free to run for his own term. Cellucci won a term of his own in 1998 and later resigned to become ambassador to Canada, which was the beginning of Swift's disastrous reign as acting Gov.

I would like to see Murray become Governor, as there hasn't been a governor from Central MA since 1916.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


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Cellucci?
Do people in Hudson consider themselves Central Mass? It's not in Worcester County but neither is neighboring Marlborough, and Cellucci seemed to get an electoral boost in the Worcester area for being from the area, sort of.  

36, M, Democrat, MD-03

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It's on the border
It's in Middlesex County and just inside the 495 belt, so people in Worcester don't consider it part of the Central MA orbit, but people from Hudson may. Cellucci did do very well in greater Worcester, in part because he was from the general area, and also in part because of his blue-collar appeal.

The 1916 guy was actually from Fitchburg. I don't believe the city of Worcester has produced a Governor since the 1860's--quite a stretch for the second-largest city in the state.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


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Would be nice to get a recruitment success
Seems they've been few and far bewteen lately.

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If Patrick is close to Obama
it certainly gives him a leg up for the DNC job.
The Hotline article also says he's been mentioned for AG if that job opens up.

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CA-47
So I didn't realize that Tan Nguyen actually ran as a Democrat just two years earlier in 2004, against Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R, CA-46).

Huh.


NY-26 edit
Dan Humiston and Chris Jacobs are Republicans, not Democrats.  (Humiston lost to Brian Higgins in 2008 and Jacobs was SoS under Pataki.)

20, Dem, NY-14

Well, that's
one poorly-written original article, then. Thanks.

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Nguyen was sentenced for obstruction of justice.
He was convicting of lying to the feds who were investigating the voter fraud charges.

While some may say what's the difference, to me it's pretty big.  There have been no voter fraud convictions in conection with this incident.


PPP: Bredesen leads Corker 46-41.
http://publicpolicypolling.blo...

Corker has stated he is still interested in public service.  They gotta recruit him and fast.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


I mean:
"Bredesen has stated....", not Corker.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Would be a fantastic coup
But I'm not getting my hopes up.

[ Parent ]
But this definitely opens that door.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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Absolutely.
In 2006, Bredesen won every county of TN, winning overall by the largest margin any TN governor has received ever.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
isn't Bredensen a policy wonk?
seems like the senate would be the perfect place for him.  

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
Could be a huge coup
and possibly save us the Senate.  Get on that Murray!

[ Parent ]
If Bredesen were to enter the race......
If Bredesen were to enter the race he certainly would make the race competitive. He was extremely popular and would enter the race with a network of supporters that runs deep state-wide. That network is also comprised of people who identify as both Democrats and Republicans, something that would have to troubling for Corker. Bredesen's strength is that he is his own brand that appeals across party lines. It would be interesting.  

Democrat: TN-8

[ Parent ]
Still waiting to see
If PPP polled a Tea Party challenge to Corker. Hank Williams Jr said way back when that he'd be interested, and I suspect he might be able to put up a serious challenge to Corker. If so, Bredesen might have an even easier path to the senate.  

Male, VA-08

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Now, we just need to get Tim McGraw of the fence
And have him run for governor in 2014.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
I think Bredesen would definitely be our strongest candidate for senate
But it would be really funny to see a Hank Williams Jr vs Tim McGraw race for senate.

Male, VA-08

[ Parent ]
PPP is releasing primary numbers tomorrow.
lol

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Also
They teased national presidential numbers that have Obama leading Donald Trump with white voters. Even Palin leads him in that demographic.

[ Parent ]
Whaaaa???!!!
Palin is leading among Caucasian voters?!?!?!  --cries for humanity--

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
An illustration of how badly Trump would do


[ Parent ]
For an amusing visual
display of such an outcome, go to this link: http://www.boston.com/news/pol...

It's probably based on older information, but the ways in which that has changed (i.e. the country becoming less white), can only help Democrats.

If I am doing it right, based on the sort of advantages with demographic groups that Democrats had in 2008 in addition to breaking even with the white vote, the Republicans don't seem to win anything behind the Dakotas, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, and perhaps Oklahoma.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Awesome link
Just playing around, one of the most interesting scenarios I thought of is if Protestants voted 100% Republican and all other religions voted 100% Democratic. If turnout is even, the map looks something like this:

Flipping the Mormon vote to the Republican side would cost us Nevada, Idaho, Utah, and Colorado. Shows you how much Protestants still dominate the politics of the United States (although nowadays the differences between mainline and evangelical Protestants is possibly as big as the differences between some Protestants and Catholics).  

Male, VA-08

[ Parent ]
For all we know
She's leading by 1 point, or tied. But that's an amazing feat for Democrats, who usually lose the white vote by over 10-15 points.

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The fact that ANYONE
thinks of her as a potential president, more or less more than half my own race, scares the living shit out of me

[ Parent ]
I told my boss that today
and he was floored. We've really gone over the deep end in this country.  

[ Parent ]
I suspect that would change fairly quickly.
Assuming we aren't losing 700,000 jobs a month leading up to the election, I imagine he'd have to do very little but not look like a lunatic to see his margins steadily improve amongst all voters. For white voters, however, I imagine some of the improvement would be a statistical improvement and not an absolute improvement, meaning a lot of conservative voters would simply stay home.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Not Surprising
I believe Goldwater is the only post WWII Republican Presidential candidate not to win the non-Hispanic white vote.

I was a little bit surprised to find that McCain won the white vote in Maryland despite the presence of Montgomery County (MoCo is now only plurality white, but the population does not equal the electorate) and a fair number of predominantly white yet liberal parts of the Baltimore area.    

36, M, Democrat, MD-03


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Caucasian voters
I just find it mindboggling that Obama lost the white vote nationally. I guess there is much more of a race problem in other corners of the country than the "great white north" in all of its meanings. Minnesota is something like 90% white, and outside of the actual cities of Minneapolis, and St. Paul, it's probably like 95% white. I just find it strange that there is such a race gap elsewhere. Minnesota is not the only (nearly) monochromatic state in the country to be quite left of center: Vermont and Maine come to mind. It just seems strange to me...

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
Democrats always lose the white vote


[ Parent ]
No Democrat
has won the white vote since '64.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
I know that.
I understand the facts. I just don't get it. It wasn't that I was confused THAT Obama lost the white vote, but the fact that he DIDN'T is confusing.  

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
If It Makes You Feel Any Better..
...the "white vote" numbers don't look anywhere near as bad if you don't include the South, or even if you just leave the out just the Deep South (SC, GA, AL, MS, LA.)  

36, M, Democrat, MD-03

[ Parent ]
It's not that strange when you think that
he did amazingly well for a Democrat amongst white voters in swing states like Michigan and Minnesota and strongly in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, kind of poorly in a states like Virginia and North Carolina, and absolutely terribly in states like Alabama and Louisiana.

Some of it was a race thing, sure, but not all of it--probably not even most of it. Obama received a terrible ten percent of the white vote in Alabama, but Kerry only received 19 percent.

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Sigh....
Minnesota is not a swing state. Say it with me again, Minnesota is not a swing state. Every single statewide office is held by a Democrat elected in the most Republican year in many many years. It has voted for the Democratic candidate for President longer than ANY other state in the entire country. So unless you consider Vermont, California, or Connecticut to be swing states (They all voted for Reagan), then you really can't consider Minnesota a swing state. Thank you for your time. :)

So there was at least 9% race factor in Alabama, where nearly half of the white Kerry voters didn't vote for Obama. That doesn't really surprise me.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


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How we have every statewide office is beyond me
The legislature should clearly indicate that MN did not go blue in 2010.  The gubernatorial had an Indy split who gave us the win, and in the AG race the GOP had a no name candidate.  Our Auditor and SoS incumbents have certainly used their incumbency advantages to their fullest but at least one of them should have lost.

Maybe people here saw the great job they were doing and know being a GOPer or DFLer in those positions aren't as important.


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The legislature
Democrats got crushed in the suburbs, which is where most of the flips from DFL to R came from. They know they are on borrowed time, and need to make the most of what they can. At least where aren't Wisconsin, where Walker is over there trying to ram through very controversial, regressive legislation.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
It is certainly possible
that DFLers are so packed into the inner metro that we won statewide but not the legislature.  Most seats were lost by slim margins while in the Twin Cities are always 75-25 blow-outs at least.

[ Parent ]
Well, the result
in Minnesota is usually close--Reagan came within less than a point in 1984, despite Mondale being the candidate, and Bush came within three in 2004, for instance--but if it makes you happy, I'll sub in Iowa.

Anyway, as far as states like Alabama are concerned, it's not so much that Obama is black as the state is just very conservative and votes that way.

Just for shits and giggles, I combined Kerry's white vote share and Obama's black vote share. Using 2008 turnout levels and assuming that he received 65 percent of its small Hispanic vote, that would have given Obama 42.37 percent of the vote. If he had managed to get 25 percent of the vote, he would be up to 46.27 of the vote. If he could secure 30 percent or more of the white vote, he could win the state, although probably narrowly.

Makes you wonder what might happen if the Obama campaign is feeling bold and wants to toss around some money to see if there are any Democrats waiting to come out of the woodwork in the state. It's entirely unnecessary, of course, because at that point he will have won in a massive landslide, but perhaps the party could be strengthened in the state as a whole in the process.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Eventually
deep South states like Mississippi, Alabama, and even Louisiana (despite the depopulation of New Orleans) will become minority-majority.  At some point, Republicans will start to always need 90% of the white vote just to keep the state in their column.  That is assuming current voting trends among minorities continue, which I think is a safe bet given the way the Republican Party has turned out lately.

[ Parent ]
Do you have any links that talk about this?
It makes sense, of course, but I still like to read about it. Certainly the black populations of such states would go up, but will the Hispanic populations go up in similarly strong ways, or will it be more a statistical thing, where it looks like it's getting bigger because of a small base? And are there any particular sub groups that are growing at fast rates in such states? I wouldn't know what to think, because none of those states has a big, cosmopolitan city to draw unique ethnicities.

If nothing else, it'll make the political dynamics in such states pretty different, or at least it could. Either the Republicans slowly change or they spend a long, long time in the political wilderness, unless there's some sort of shift in attitudes in states in the Northeast.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
You can look at
the census.gov interactive site, which lets you select the states they have up at the moment and see the change over the past ten years by ethnicity, county, etc.  Anecdotally I had been hearing that African-Americans were moving back to the South after decades of movement away, the data certainly bears that out.  You might also find this wikipedia article interesting.

The Hispanic populations in the South are comparatively small, but experiencing extremely rapid growth.  


[ Parent ]
south
I think they need to split the south from the rest of the country when they poll white voters on that. Within the south I suspect that Dems get much more of the white vote in areas that aren't culturally southern: Florida below the panhandle, northern Virginia, the "triangle" area of North Carolina.

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
South
It's tough to win the white vote nationally when winning only 10-20% of the white vote in southern states, many of which have larger populations. Even in Vermont, Republicans can still count of 30% of the white vote, and more in most safe blue states, so it's tough for a Dem, and a black one at that, to win the white vote, or even come reasonably close.

25, Male, CT-01 (home), Perth-Wellington riding (sometimes)

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Yes they do
I had a feeling Bredesen would come from a position of strength.

If the DSCC can get him in, that blows Tennessee wide open.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


[ Parent ]
I hadn't really thought about him a potential candidate
With those numbers, he would clearly be a top-tier recruit.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

[ Parent ]
MN Special Election
There is also a Special Election tonight in Minnesota State House seat 5B. This is the seat vacated by Tony Sertich when he was appointed to head the Iron Range Resources and Rehabilitation Board (IRRRB).

This should be a safe Democratic seat, Dayton won the District 63-29-7. The Democratic candidate is Carly Melin, an attorney for the state judiciary system, who is all of 25 years old. The Republican is Paul Jacobson who lost this district 67-33 to Sertich last fall. There is also a left leaning  Independence Party candidate who might might make this race closer than it should be but unless there is a huge surprise Melin will should win.

Results tonight can be found here

http://electionresults.sos.sta...

Also a good local blog, Minnesota Brown, will be following the race.

http://www.minnesotabrown.com/

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan


Thanks for posting this.
Remember, Sertich was a kid when he was first elected, in fact he was younger than Melin is now, even.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


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Age
Nothing against Melin, I would vote for her if I lived in that district and from everything I have read she seems like a very bright and capable young woman, but everything else being equal I like my candidates to have a little more life experience. Maybe I am just getting old.

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan

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don't disagree
But Sertich was only 24 when he as elected ten years ago. I don't think voters in that district are going to not vote for her because she could only rent a car in the last few months.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


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i would guess she's gone from
high school, to college, to law school, to her job for 6-7 months.  I will say at least she has life experience from being a Ranger and isn't some pampered kid from Edina who has only experienced ease and success.

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More importantly, tonight is the return of Alvin Greene!
There's a primary election for a state house seat in South Carolina, where Alvin Greene is running.

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The man needs to find a new hobby


"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan

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are you kidding me?
Greene for President!

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Did they ever determine
how he ended up on the ballot for the senate race? Was it anything but an accident?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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According to Politicalwire...
Greene has not campaigned at all here, thankfully.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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With 68 votes counted....
.... Alvin Greene has 0

http://www.scvotes.org/2011/02...

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan


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Not called yet
http://minnesota.publicradio.o...

But I can pretty much count this one in the bag. 66-30 with a third of precincts reporting. District 5 now officially has the newest (and arguably hottest) member of the delegation.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


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It looks like Daily Kos
is starting up a draft Elizabeth Warren campaign.  

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

Why?
I don't understand what's the electoral appeal of Elizabeth Warren. We need someone with at least some experience running campaigns to go against Brown. Warren is not particularly charismatic or experienced so I don't see what she brings to the table.I love her work but she would probably serve better at an appointed executive job rather then legislative one.  

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I totally get her appeal
Elizabeth Warren has always struck me as someone who can take complex issues and frame them in clear, concise language that helps people understand how it relates to their lives. She puts a very common sense, real life spin on progressive issues. She speaks about things in a way that is not overly intellectual or ideological (although she clearly has the depth of understanding and the set of consistent progressive values.)

Add in a ton of experience and expertise on the economic issues that affect Americans directly, and she could deliver an economic message that resonates with middle class, working class voters and poor voters extremely well, while her academic acumen would mark her as a serious player with the media and with the considerable population of well-educated academic and professional voters in the state.

I don't know that she is necessarily the strongest candidate against Brown (or that she isn't), but I find her style very very appealing, and I think it might be very effective as a candidate - her style is so accessible, disarming and well-spoken that she may be a very compelling nominee.


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I totally get what you're saying
And I might have supported her in 09' but I seriously do not want to take the chance that she'd be a terrible campaigner. Democrats can't have someone with zero name recognition, zero prior experience, no real base of support to take on one of the best fundraisers in the Senate with the amazing ability to bullshit things to sound good.  

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Her media appearances are all I can go on
And if they are any indication, she would not be a terrible campaigner -- quite the opposite. She is polished without seeming fake, knows how to work a camera, how to drive a point home, how to shape and deliver a good sound bite, and how to mix it up in a debate. Media savvy is something that most first time candidates don't bring to the table - and something she clearly has.  

She is the kind of high profile candidate who would be considered a "star candidate" in a parliamentary system - someone from outside the field of politics who brings a high profile and instant credibility into a race. Would that translate into a statewide race in Massachusetts? She may not have universal name ID, but other than one of the Kennedy's, no one else seems to have it either.

Doesn't seem to me that having run/won for office before is a guarantee of being a good campaigner -- Martha Coakley had won statewide, and Michael Capuano (who some people think is our best nominee) lost to Coakley by 20% in the special election primary, so not sure that is a compelling case for his skills as a candidate.

I'm playing a little bit of devil's advocate here, making the case for Warren -- I'm far from convinced she is the right candidate, but when I look at the field, no one else is screaming out as a better choice. (I know and like Bob Massie, but while I'd love to see him in the Senate, not convinced he is the right candidate to go up against Brown either.)  

I'm intrigued enough with her as the kind of out of the box candidate that I'm more than willing to give her potential candidacy a really good look over. But I'm also willing to be convinced that another candidate is better suited to the task.



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you've sold me a bit
I'm still leery of her, but you're right in that her liability as an "economic extremist job killing monster" can be transformed into being a wise sage on the economy through her ability to easily explain very complex issues.  Someone who can do that while indicating they could go on, and on and use much bigger words is someone I'd think everyday voters would really appreciate having as their representative.  And when it's on the economy?  She would talk circles around Scott Brown on the one topic everyone cares about most, and hopefully would do it with a charming smirk.

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I certainly wouldn't have a problem with her
as a senator, but I'd rather see her using her powers to make sure the CFPB gets off the ground. She's supposedly well liked around the country and could easily be the public face of the agency for some time.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Isn't she in charge of setting up the CFPB?
That would mean once she's done she will be out of a job. I mean like you said she is already a national spokesmen, but that's kind of a waste of her abilities. Not saying she should run of course.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

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Really?
Elizabeth Warren has always struck me as someone who can take complex issues and frame them in clear, concise language that helps people understand how it relates to their lives.

I don't get that at all.  


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I can completely see it.
Not that I think she should or wants to run.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

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For what?


"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan

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For MA-Sen v. Scott Brown, n/m


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A quick scan of the comments
actually suggests realistic reactions...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

which is a pleasant surprise to me.


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Don't know enough about her to have an opinion
The problem last time was a coronation in the primary so maybe this time it wouldn't be such a bad thing. Then again, the last thing Dems need is a divisive contest for the nomination. Funding is perhaps another factor.

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No one does, which reminds me of one of the most laughable pieces of advice...
...I read last year in the months leading up to the midterms from some Democratic strategist on a blog.  This wasn't just any liberal blogger, but some guy who was part of the Beltway intelligentsia, and he had a laundry list of things Obama should do to get his base excited for the midterms.  His list revealed that he's an obsessed political junkie with no sense of how voters think or what they care about.  And the biggest illustration of that fact was putting on his list putting Elizabeth Warren in charge of that consumer protection commission created by the new Wall Street reform law.

The thing is, this guy was obviously oblivious that no one has ever heard of Elizabeth Warren.  You have to be ridiculously deep in the weeds of politics to recognize her name at all, let alone have an opinion of her!  This just isn't something any voters care about outside the trivial sliver of obsessive activists.

I look at this effort to draft Warren for MA-Sen and think much the same.  I'm willing to allow that maybe, just maybe, this lady is a charismatic figure who can attract ordinary voters.  But somehow I doubt it.  Markos and others in her informal fan club might very well have excellent reasons for loving her as someone who belongs in the high echelons of political power, but that doesn't mean voters will see what they see.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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To be really frank
This and Winograd in CA-36  is one comparison to RedState and DK; they back their heroes over establishment figures who can win.  There is absolutely zero reason to take the risk with Warren when we have a giant bench of progressive Democrats who don't have a slew of attack ads dreamed up already that would doom them.  I'm thinking along the lines of,  extreme on corporates which makes them not want to hire, blame her for no jobs.

In an open seat, Warren would be okay.  Not against Scott Brown, no.


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I think she's far more well known
than you imagine. She's not a household name, of course, but she's hardly obscure. She's been beating this drum for a while and has been one of the key public figures, if not the key public figure, of the consumer finance protection movement.

She'd probably be a fine senator. That said, why would we go with her when the state is filled with politicians, let alone other public figures, who would probably make credible candidates? If we were talking about Mississippi, it'd be a different story, but we're talking about one of the most Democratic states in the country.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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I'm sorry, but she's obscure......
I have nothing against her at all, but I never heard of her until early this year, and I still don't have an opinion of her either way.  She's just some lady a lot of liberals love for, apparently, her intelligence and knowledge of financial issues and her positions on financial industry issues.  That's great, we need people like that.

But let's be clear, ordinary voters have never heard her name.  She's never in the news except on political web sites.  If she's ever on TV, it's not very often, and hardly anyone notices.

You can get elected starting from zero name recognition, Ron Johnson proved that last year.

But it's a lot harder, and someone like that should never be a first choice.  Even Ron Johnson sure wasn't, they wanted Tommy Thompson.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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She would be familiar
to anyone who was a regular listener to NPR in the early 2000s. I used to drive my younger sister to and from school, and Warren would regularly talk about the Two-Income Trap on, e.g., Morning Edition and Fresh Air.

So I'm going to have to disagree with you.  


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Let's do some numbers
NPR national audience = 12 million, ref http://www.npr.org/about/about...

US population = 300 million

NPR audience = 2.2% of the nation -- maybe round up a bit for MA as a more educated state -- call it 4%.

But that assumes 100% of NPR listeners recognize Warren. Even then, that's a pretty low name recognition level.


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Gosh, I don't know how to divide
12 million out of 300 million is 4%

and rounding up for MA's relatively high educational level, call it 8%.

Unfortunately, that's still a pretty low level of name recognition.


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As compared to what, though?
The point is that she's not nobody, and she didn't just come from nowhere. She's  perfectly credible as a candidate for some office.  

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This proves Cyclone's point
If an NPR show from 10 years ago is her source of name rec, that's pretty down-in-the-weeds.

Besides, it's not like anyone who's a regular NPR listener was going to vote for Scott Brown to begin with. Dems have that demographic pretty much locked down.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


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NPR has a broad audience.
Your claim is pure conjecture based on an inside joke.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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It is our BBC.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
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I'm sorry
I've never met a single Republican who listens to NPR, but then again, the subject doesn't come up all that often in conversation. My impressions on the station come from an incredibly liberal English teacher I had in high school who always talked about things she heard on NPR and even put in on in the background sometimes, so I've always associated NPR with her demographic. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.  

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

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I don't know either who is right.
And I'm sorry if I sounded snappy.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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Does NPR skew liberal, sure?
But it's not just eggheads who listen to it. I'd guess that it has roughly the same size audience as CNN.  

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You're probably right.
It's like the BBC in how it presents the news, but the Fox News crowd would probably not tune in to it.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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I'm sorry again, but NPR is small audience of eggheads & nothing remotely close to CNN......
NPR is a small audience.  Yes a lot of liberal political junkies and academics and intellectuals listen to it.  I certainly know a lot of people who listen to NPR.  But almost all my friends and associates have advanced degrees, putting me in an associational "bubble" that is a pretty thin sliver of America.

Thing is, I know I'm in a thin sliver.  I try (and sometimes fail, but I think I do OK) to remind myself of that consciously when contemplating the value of my personal experience in forming a perspective on politics.

I think it's easy for people to forget that about themselves, that whatever their circles are, those circles are not a represenative sample of America.  We all live in a relatively enclosed circle of people.

That's what I see with this Warren talk on the intertubes.  A lot of people don't realize their circles are very limited, that most voters don't recognize people and things that people here take for granted.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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See my numbers calculated above
best case name recognition based on NPR < 10% -- since it's back several years, that number is probably significantly less.

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Come now
That's just one example that I am personally familiar with. No doubt there is more where that came from.

Nobody who runs for office has perfect name recognition, after all.

In any case, it will be up to MA Democrats to choose a candidate.


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No specifics, no data
I was generous with my numbers. Hand waving does not add anything.

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Seriously?
I am not in the business of quantifying the name recognition of public figures. I have neither the time nor the experience to conduct a study.

My point was merely to dispute the suggestion that Warren is some kind of Netroots invention. She was on the public stage years ago. And as I said, Massachusetts Democrats will either support her or not.  


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I was too harsh
and I apologize for that.

However, I don't see Warren as more than a step above "some dudette". Certainly not in the same category as any of the MA Congressmen or other prominent elected public officials.


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She's not a household name, but she's not really obscure
in the same way a lot of elite but still largely unknown public figures are. In other words, far more people would recognize, say, John Boehner or Nancy Pelosi, or even Eric Holder or Robert Gates, than would recognize Elizabeth Warren. But while the vast majority of the country doesn't know much about her, far more of the country knows about her, even vaguely, than it does other people. (I didn't mention this before, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was even truer in Massachusetts, where she's from.) It might not seem like much if barely a quarter (or even less) of the country has even the vaguest idea of who you are, but it's something.

I'd be interested to see some polling on this just to put some number to this discussion, but I can't find any. Of course, it's beside the point, because she won't be the candidate.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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I'm pretty deep in the weeds of politics myself.
And, until today, I'd never heard of this person you guys are discussing.

http://mypolitikal.com/

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Yup, I never heard of her until last spring, and only because...
...of the Wall Street reform bill breaking into the news once the Senate moved it up the forefront of its agenda.

Again, this lady is going nowhere if she doesn't have some kind of personal charisma that appeals to people who don't care about politics.

You win elections, even low-turnout primaries, by persuading people whose only political activity is reading newspaper headlines, watching broadcast and local news, and thinking about who to vote for, and why.  Elizabeth Warren doesn't break through into those spheres of attention.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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It's ironic that the Daily Kos crowd is so happy with her
considering that the other guy who was in line for her job--Michael Barr, a law professor from Michigan--was supposedly far more liberal than she is. This isn't a criticism of Warren, of course. I like her a lot, and I think she's doing good things, but a lot of what makes her so appealing is her celebrity status, such as it is.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Probably pointless
But it's not a terrible idea. I'm waiting to see how Bob Massie does, personally.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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Me too.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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Speaking of which

I just realized Mr. Massie is the son of Robert K. Massie, a historian who wrote Peter the Great, one of the best biographies I've ever read.

Good thing one of the bookcases here is right across the room from where I'm sitting so I could spy Massie's name on the spine of the book, hehe..



Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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He also wrote
Nicholas and Alexandra.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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Haven't read it
But I have been planning to look into Massie's other work in the near future; which, given the irregular pace I read at, might be a few weeks from now or next year.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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Now it's rotating as a front page DK visual "headline"
If Warren somehow gets the D-Sen nomination, I could so see her losing to Brown --

and that making the difference in control of the Senate.

I don't know whether to shake my head and think "It's Chris Bowers" and the new generation of his "Bush Dogs" thing, or is it something more endemic to DK.


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VA-Sen: Webb leaving taking the wind out of Allen's sails?
http://www.bluevirginia.us/dia...

A good post.  What do you make of it?  Also, notpjorourke, you said that Allen was trying to goad Webb to stay in.  Was that indeed true?

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The central point
is that Allen was re-running just to fulfill a revenge fantasy for his very thin 2006 loss.  Now that the cause of his vendetta is retiring, he's scratching his head about what to do next.

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Sounds about right to me
Might not be the best thing for the Dems, though. A disinterested, lazy Allen would be the best candidate for Kaine/Perriello/etc to run against, but he'd also be easier pickings for a anti-establishment candidate to sneak up on in the R primary.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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Oh noes!
No rematch in the big game against Jim Webb? George Allen's prop football has a sad.  

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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No wonder Webb won in 2006
Combat boots beat a football as electioneering prop any day.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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^^^^THIS!!!!!!!!!
I hated, HATED, George Allen. People would ask me why, or I'd volunteer, and my reasoning was very simple.

"I want a politician who can tell me his campaign platform without referencing FOOTBALL!"

War in Iraq, tackle the opponent
Deficit, can't drop the football
Education, keep rushin' for that touchdown

Damn, I need to save that pic!

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


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yes
I certainly think it was Allen's intention. Obviously unsuccesful, but Webb wasn't going to run much of a campaign if he did run and that was their best case. If Kaine is guilted into running he may not be much better (though there is no way he could be worse), I still hold that Periello or Connolly are the best candidates, especially Connolly since it is my opinion this race will be decided in PW and Loudoun counties, not Arlington, Richmond, Charlottesville and Norfolk (where Obama will drive turnout)

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Guilted?
What makes you think that Kaine doesn't want to run?  Maybe he does, but didn't want to sound like he was eagerly waiting for Webb to drop out so he could jump in.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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That is exactly what it is
He never ruled out the race as he gave a non-commital, I'm focused on my current job, type of response.  The media is 24/7 and needs something to write so you will see this one quote in every variation possible.  No, Kaine never ruled out the race, and he, Webb, and Obama have probably all been in cohorts about this seat for months now.

I would personally be shocked if Kaine didn't run.


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Yes.
I've posted this once before, but nobody responded. Your comments about the media seem like a good reason to bring it up again. I think it sums up the way the media thinks about horse race stuff:

David Gregory: "Will you run for President?"

David Gregory's Mailman: "I'm just trying to deliver the mail here, sir."

Gregory: "I ask you again, will you run for President?



"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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b.j. that is hilarious & appropo of the media and ought to be your signature line! :-D (nm)
nm

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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Guilted
If Kaine really REALLY wanted to run for Senate he would have been out with a statement expressing some interest soon after Webb pulled the plug, I think he clearly would rather continue at the DNC and perhaps a senior appointed position in the 2nd term if he is successful.

This is NOT to say that he would not be a good candidate or run a good campaign, once he committs himself to it he MIGHT be everything you could dream of as a campaigner, but you must also accept that this might NOT be the case.

We don't know Kaine's inner thoughts, but the evidence that is available to us does not give me confidence he will be as committed as other candidates who are more "hungry" for electoral success.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Connolly
He would be a disaster running for Senate. Maybe against a flawed opponent in George Allen he would stand a chance but no thank you as a primary voter. Maybe I am rubbed wrongly by him even though there is little in his voting record that I don't like but just doesn't have "statewide" written all over him. Obviously he would be better than Jim Moran running statewide. I would put him third on my list but in my opinion is that the VA Democratic Party should get:

1. Kaine
2. Perriello

Oh crap who can we find that is not Glenn Nye (he said he isn't running) thankfully.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  


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I'd prefer Perriello...
But I think Chairman Kaine can retain the seat at least as easily.

Allen, Stewart, Radtke, Cheney, and Rep. Wittman are all nonstarters for the GOP. I'm willing to bet all would start with underwater favorables and none would campaign with the zest of either Kaine or (especially) Perriello.

I'm far more concerned about Ohio than I am about Virginia. We'll see how long it takes the media narrative to catch up.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


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So far, no real GOP candidate is emerging in Ohio...
...which is a good thing for Brown.  I'm wondering about  Mr. Latourette, though.  He's being awfully "moderate" and proactive as of late.. more than he's ever been in 20 years.  Maybe he's thinking about a Senate run...

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"Easily"
I don't think I'd be throwing that term around on what is sure to be a rough and tumble campaign that will likely go right down to the wire.

I also disagree on Connolly's potential candidacy. Periello is a good campaigner, but despite the 5th being a tough district to hold he did lose, and lost to a very flawed candidate in Hurt. He did very well in Charlottesville & Danville, pretty good in Albemarle County, but really didn't perform above generic Dem in the rural/southside counties - thus I presume he would NOT do better than Obama or a generic Dem in the rural areas elsewhere in the state.

No matter who the nominee is they'll do very well in Richmond, Norfolk & Arlington/Alexandria/Fairfax and likely get killed everywhere else except the NoVA exurbs of Prince William and Loudoun Counties. In my opinion these two super fast growing counties are going to be the key battleground in the Senate race (and the Presidential), who is better positioned to win those counties, a former rep from Charlottesville or the Congressman who represents half of PW county & has been seen on TV in Loudoun County for the last 5 years?

I'm not saying Connolly is the better candidate or the better nominee, but to reject him out of hand fails to recognize the regional advantage he brings to the race.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Connolly vs. Perriello
While it is very early to speculate I disagree with you about Perriello not being as strong as Connolly.

1. Perriello was running in an R +5 district as a freshmen who won by 700 votes in 2008. I don't see how Hurt was a flawed opponent other than the fact that he is a GOP lackey to whatever Cantor tells him but that's another discussion. Hurt ran as a "generic Republican" about as much as you could get. There were many in the GOP primary who ran to his right. Perriello lost by 4% in a strongly GOP year and he lost by less than what Boucher who was a decade's long representative lost by (8%) and Nye who was also a freshmen running in an R + 5 district (10%).

2. Perriello is very young (he is 36) and likeable and that would translate well to NoVa suburbs and exurbs. He raised nearly $3.8 million for his race in 2010 which for a guy who had polls coming out showing him down 30% is pretty impressive. Only Cantor (obvious for why and how he got his money) at $6.0 million and Rigell who self-funded at $4.5 million raised more. He would not have a problem raising money and raising money would get his name ID up in the Washington DC TV market.

3. Connolly just doesn't strike me as someone who can "over perform" like Perriello did. In 2008 Connolly underperformed Obama (57% Obama to 55% Connolly) to an unknown and not moderate Keith Fimian in an open seat. While 2010 was just a bad year he only narrowly won by less than 1%. Compare that to Perriello over performing Obama in 2008 (50% for Tom and 48% for Obama) losing by 4% and I would argue that VA-05 is easily 5% to the right of VA-11. Hard to exactly correlate these things but I think data points are out there to show that Perriello over performs a generic Democrat and Connolly underperforms a generic Democrat.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  


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Good Points all
I'm not necessarily advocating for Connolly to run, but I think he should be part of any discussion on who would be the best Dem candidate in '12. The fact that he has been part of the NoVa political arena for the last 5-6 years should not be discounted.

You should also take into account that Fimian seemed a strong candidate in '08 (partially due to his self funding abilty) and Connolly won solidly, even if he didn't quite match Obama's total in the district.

The other thing that might push Connolly to run is that we don't know what will happen to VA-11 in redistricting. It might get tweaked to make it slightly more GOP friendly, or it might get cut up to create a minority-majority district, that would force Connolly to face a much more difficult district (primary only) or a primary with Jim Moran (which would really mean moving residence).

If Kaine does not run it is highly probably that several Dems will run in the primary, I certainly don't think Perriello or Connolly would clear the primary field (either of each other or anyone else).

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Are people in the south and west of VA
suspicious of NoVA politicos? aka, perhaps except for Mark Warner, is it difficult for NoVA politicos who run statewide to at least make a decent showing in rural VA?

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That's My Concern
Even more so for Connolly, who is originally from Massachusetts. No one in VA-11, which is full of transplants, much cares but it could be another story downstate.

Warner had to work very hard in rural Virginia and it's hard to imagine anyone replicating that path.

There's not a lot of history of NoVA politicians winning statewide but they've got a lot more clout than they used to.  

36, M, Democrat, MD-03


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Connolly vs Periello in SWVa
My theory is that Periello won't do any better than Connolly in southside & SW VA, both will come in about the min for Dems in the area (Periello did great in the urban areas of the 5th, but still got killed in the rural counties so no reason (IMO) to think he'd do much better than anyone else).

Further, I believe the Senate (and POTUS) race in VA will be decided in the NoVa Exurbs of PW & Loudoun Counties. Periello will likely do well in those areas, but I would bet that Connolly would do much better since he's from the region, has represented a good chunk of PW county and is already well known to the grassroots & grasstops leaders in both counties.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Meh, this is pure speculation with no evidence......
I don't think Allen's motivation was revenge.  I think his motivation is simply political ambition.  That means Governor or Senate, and Senate is what makes the most sense.  He's just not ready to move on to other things in life, he still wants to be in elected office.

Even if Allen ends up running a poor campaign and losing, I wouldn't read anything into it regarding Allen's motivation for revenge being short-circuited.  Allen won only 52% in 2000 against a badly damaged Chuck Robb after Virginia had moved sharply right in the 90s, then lost to no-name Jim Webb 6 years later.  So Allen has not been any juggernaut in the first place.  It should be no surprise if a competent Democratic nominee beats him next year, perhaps even convincingly.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Let me ask you
a completely different question: do you think Obama rode Mark Warner's coattails in 2008?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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I'm not from VA
but not from all the info I've gather on VA from reading SSP for the past years.  It's been ripe for awhile.

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That makes sense.
I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if the way that Warner destroyed Gilmore cost McCain some votes, but not enough to cost him the win.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Nothing cost McCain votes in Virginia, in fact he had a record-high...
...vote total for a Republican candidate in the state.  He got 10K more votes than Dubya in '04.

Obama did have coattails that year, and in fact Perriello won significantly because of them.  Probably Nye, too.  Connolly would've won anyway, albeit by a modestly smaller margin.

As I explained in another comment here, yes Obama helped Warner pad his margin, but of course Warner was going to win in a blowout no matter what, only the size of the blowout was in question.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Warner didn't need anyone's coattails
He would have won in '08 no matter who ran on the GOP side, including a rematch with John Warner. Mark Warner is probably the best politician to come out of Virginia and is an almost perfect ideological and tempermental match for the state.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Woops
Got your comment backward, mi culpa.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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No worries. Still agree with your comments, though.
I still maintain that if he weren't running for the senate in 2008, he almost certainly would have ended up on the ticket as vice president. Except for military service, he quite literally has it all: a business background, a clean public record, a nice looking family, a strong record as an executive in a swing state, and now, after serving in the senate, you could argue he has foreign policy experience. If he's reelected in 2014 anywhere nearly as strongly as he was elected in 2008, he's one of the front runners for the nomination.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Eh... Doubtful...
He may be popular in Virginia (and I'm not sure I understand the appeal), but like Evan Bayh in Indiana, the popularity does not extend beyond state lines.  He's rather uninspiring, goofy looking, and loves to flirt with the right too often to win a national primary.  He's quite boring, actually.  While it's wonderful that he can maintain this really great popularity in Virginia, I just don't see how he's able to transfer that persona into national appeal.

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I'm not going to comment on his looks,
but I will ask, how does he flirt with the right? I mean, I doubt anyone would confuse him for a progressive's dream, but if he pivot to the left in order to win a primary and then win it, he could be a force to reckon with. He'd be stronger in the general, yes, but he seems smart enough to figure out how to get through a primary.

As far as the comparisons to Evan Bayh, I'm not sure that's fair. If nothing else, he seems to be far more of a team player than Bayh ever was.

I don't remember much about him as far his speaking abilities. His speech at the Democratic convention was boring, but that was probably the point. And I'm not usually impressed by speeches of any kind, so I'm hardly a fair judge of such things.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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The comparison to Bayh was only in regards...
...to popularity in state while being "meh" out of state and nothing more.  I wouldn't want to disparage Warner's character with anything close to what Bayh was 'cos no one deserves to be accused of being anything like Bayh!!

He likes to do the post-partisan thing, which is fine, but he's really getting into gutting social security and other things near and dear to Democrats' hearts... and that's not a good thing.  He's keeping it on the down low for now, but if he starts making a show of it, it could get bad.


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Do you have any proof for that claim?


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Here
http://voices.washingtonpost.c...

The most serious work being done is in the Senate, where Mark Warner (D-Va.), Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Mike Crapo (R-Idaho), Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) and Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) are meeting regularly to create legislation based off the [Ernst and Bowles] Fiscal Commission's final report.


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OMG
Warner is a closet conservative because he works with Dick Durbin & Kent Conrad? Can't throw him in with Coburn, Crapo & Chambliss without including those other two closet Teabaggers!

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Kent Conrad is more conservative than any of those Republicans...
...when it comes to fiscal policy.  The only non-conservative in the group is Durbin, and he's only there to get a say at the table.  Warner's kind of in the middle, but if he's playing around with Conrad, then it's not a good thing for progressives.

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Don't be silly
Conrad isn't more conservative than Chambliss, Coburn and Crapo on anything.

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That doesn't qualify.
Please show me something specific where he says he supports slashing Social Security benefits. (By "slashing," I mean cuts of, say, 30 percent, as opposed to a cut of five percent combined with a payroll tax increase or something.)

Besides, the Deficit Commission released separate recommendations from Simpson and Bowles themselves. It's not clear to me exactly what these guys are doing based on what suggestions in the Commission's report.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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No, Obama didn't ride Warner's coattails, and in fact Obama helped Warner......
Warner would've won in a blowout no matter what, but Obama drove turnout and raised Warner's margin.

McCain actually got more votes in 2008 than Dubya in 2004, when Dubya beat Kerry 54-45 in Virginia.  And McCain's Virginia vote total was the highest number of votes received by a Republican candidate in Virginia history, this in a state that had gone Republican for Prez in every election after 1964.  But Obama got a stunning 500,000 more votes than Kerry.  A Gore/Kerry Prez election in Virginia probably would have resulted in Warner winning by 20, instead of the laughable 31-point margin he had.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Don't sell Allen Short
He won the (then) 7th CD with 63% of the vote in his first campaign in '91 (this was a pickup BTW, beating the resigned incumbents counsin) then won the Governorship in '93 with 58% vs the AG (Mary Sue Terry, who was considered at the time a rising star in Dem circles).

After his term as Governor he was so popular that Jim Gilmore won easily, despite being a creep (although he did do a good job of making the whole campaign about the Car Tax, seemed like a 1 trick pony to me, but it worked like a charm - even if he couldn't keep the campaign pledge to eliminte it completely).

When Allen ran for Senate he was taking on an incumbent Senator, and he was the ONLY GOPer to unseat an incumbent that year (2000), in 2006 he was considered safe until he became Senator Macaca and even then he lost by a wisker in the best Dem environment in a generation..

Don't denigrate his electoral history

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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In politics, that's ancient history
Lots of people who ran up good election numbers in years past would not be able to duplicate them in the present. Of course, Allen has a shot, but he faces a much steeper climb than he did in his previous races.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

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True
But you also have to look at his full resume when determining what kind of candidate he will be, my point was not that there is a straight line correlation between his past success and his '12 prospects, but he has run very successful campaigns in the past and it would be a mistake to look at his '06 loss or the remaining Macaca stench and assume he'll be a pushover. He's a proven vote getter, fundraiser & gladhander and win or lose he will keep this race within the MoE right to the end.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Wasn't Chuck Robb pretty damn unpopular
by the time he was defeated?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Yes
But he was still a incumbent Senator with all the advantages therein, and Robb was the only Dem incumbent to lose in '00 and I'd bet some guys less popular than Robb won...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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There was nobody less popular than Robb in 2000, and Allen performed poorly...
...in winning 52%.

Robb only barely beat freakin' Oliver North in '94.  Robb got 47% that year.  And Virginia moved sharply right ideologically in the 90s.  So you'd think he'd do worse against Allen in 2000, but no, Robb's vote share was about the same.

Robb never was able to rehabilitate his disastrous reputation from his scandal-plagued term leading up to his survival against North.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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NV-Sen, Is "super-rich guy" Democrat Byron Georgiou,
who's mentioned in the linked story above as a maybe candidate, rich enough to completely self-fund a Senate campaign?
FWIW the Wikipedia bio on him seems good.
Unfortunately novice candidate's flaws often don't always come out until after winning their primary. Sometimes you can get rid of them (Scott Lee Cohen) sometimes you can't (Alvin Greene).

WATN: Tom Emmer
Emmer has become a lobbyist for the Minneapolis Radiation Oncology Physicians in order to extend the ban on radiation centers not complimented with a hospital.  (The ban is continued on an on-going basis instead of made permanent).  In 2009, Emmer introduced legislation to end this ban before the current ban in place even expired.

Douche.


Principles and Tom Emmer have never met.


20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

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Does
anyone know the SC results? When do they come in?  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

Here
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Alvin's not doing so good.

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan


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Thanks.
It would be funny if he gets no votes, not even voting for himself.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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State Rep. Connie O'Brien Is The Kansan Sharron Angle
This is the part where I get to say "I toldja so." When I looked at all 125 seats of the Kansas Legislature, I singled out state Rep. Connie O'Brien is the worst person in the Kansas Legislature. I also called her "a disgrace to the state" as well as a "hardcore, unthinking, dogmatic partisan" and a "lying, egotistical, hypocritical bigot."

Today, ole Connie proved me right ... on pretty much all counts ... because she can tell who is an illegal, because of their olive complexion. Even though she went on to say that she, herself, is sometimes thought to have an olive complexion. Predictably, she didn't understand that this seriously undermined her point, but more importantly, she said she'd have to think about whether she was going to apologize for being so openly, publicly racist.

So I may not be able to predict electoral results worth a damn, but I can sure spot an evil bitch from a mile away. Yeah, that's right, I just called a grandmother of 11 an evil bitch. Frankly, that's being charitable.

Via SSP, background on Connie: http://www.swingstateproject.c...
Via ThinkProgress, her olive complexion brouhaha:  http://thinkprogress.org/2011/...

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


Illegal olive-skinned people
Maybe the Corleone family will make her an offer she can't refuse!

[ Parent ]
So I'm illegal
because my skin is olive-like thanks to being 25% Armenian!

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Hmm
I hope some conservative group offers her a speaking arrangement at some function in Providence, Staten Island, or New Haven. Then we'll see how her hatred of olive skin goes down.

It's weird; a bunch of Sicilians ended up in Kansas City (couldn't afford to get to California was what my family always said), some of them must have gone over the river into Kansas, right?  

25, Male, CT-01 (home), Perth-Wellington riding (sometimes)


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Hey! I'm one of them!
My family is Sicilian, actually. Nearly all of this generation (in their 20s & 30s now) of my family grew up in the Kansas suburbs [read: white] of Kansas City, the generation before (50s & 60s now) on farms in central Kansas, and the generation before that (now mostly deceased) in Kansas City itself.

That said, I'm blond-haired and blue-eyed and only one (of 8) of my cousins has what could be called an "olive complexion". Then again, we've all been diluted to about one-quarter Sicilian at this point, so perhaps that's to be expected. I didn't know that there was a significant Sicilian community in Kansas City, though, but upon a bit of further research done surreptitiously at work, it seems there was. Man, ya learn somethin' everyday here on SSP.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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Ignorant
A Kansas legislator has taken the crown from former State Senator Kay O'Connor (Repeal the 19th Amendment) for backwardness. I'm sure some people would take one look at her and think she was a real unpleasant person, because something about her picture seems sort of smarmy to me.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

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MN Special Election House 5B
Not much in the way of official results yet  but unofficially Carly Melin (DFL) leads with over 60% with 50% in.

http://www.minnesotabrown.com/

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan


Poor Alvin......
http://www.abcnews4.com/Global...

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

All this means is he'll have more time to run for President!


21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



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Baker
Does anyone know any good resources on Thurbert Baker (ex-GA AG to jog your memory)? As part of Black History Month, I have to write an encyclopedic biography on him. Any good candidate summary or print book I'd be interested in - I will peruse the tag section of the site once I have time, but if someone can give me a hand that'd be amazing.

Links for California's special elections results (and why they're worth watching tonight)
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns...

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns...

The 28th actually very worth watching.  

The results of the election in Oropeza's district will hold particular interest to Gov. Jerry Brown, who is backing former Assemblyman Ted Lieu. Brown would benefit from Lieu -- the clear front-runner in the race -- being elected outright in today's primary, since it would give him another vote in support of putting a budget-balancing tax package on the June ballot.

If Lieu does not win a majority of votes, he will be forced to an April 19 runoff election, too late for him to help put Brown's tax package on the ballot.

http://www.dailynews.com/news/...

The 17th only has two candidates so the same thing doesn't apply.  However the Republicans only have a two point registration advantage there and McCain won the district by only .5%.  It's very unlikely to flip but it's a special election so strange things can happen.    

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



Ok, you can ignore SD-17. But keep an eye on SD-28
Runner's cleaning up in what I'm guessing are early votes.  Nothing to see here..

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



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Please, Ted, stay over 50%!


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at 56.6%
with just 40 of 308 precincts (13%) reporting, so still early, but looks good.  Fortunately, the only other Democrat running is stuck down at 2.8%, so it looks like they've done a good job uniting around Lieu.

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Go Lieu!
Good job, Democrats. Lieu is a solid choice. He was my assemblyman back when I lived in Venice, and I'm a fan. The thing I remember most about him is that he'd be constantly coming up with smart, sensible, not-particularly-political, nuts-and-bolts type of legislation, though I can't recall specific examples off the top of my head at the moment.

I didn't vote for him in the primary for AG, however, as he ran way to the right of the pack. But I think he'll be back in the center of the Dem caucus if/when he gets elected to the state Senate.  

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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In the Kern county portion of the ditrict, the Dem only lost by ONE vote
Of course, only one person voted...

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Chicago Mayor: Emmanuel ahead of 50 in poll.
In a Chicago Retail Merchants Association survey, it's Emmanuel with 58, Chico at 24, Del Valle at 10, Braun at 6.
http://politicalwire.com/archi...

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


How did
a former Senator become the definite underdog in a mayoral race?

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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By running perhaps the most incompent campaign in all of Chicago mayoral history?
I still, however, say she at least finishes third. Del Valle has zero money and zero ground game. As it stands, it looks like Emanuel could perhaps break 60% here. Between Braun's gaffes and Chico's 11-o-'clock-hour Tea Party revelation, I think the "Rahm wins outright" narrative rings awfully true. The only thing stopping Rahm would be some Bloomberg '09-esque laziness and overconfidence on behalf of his supporters. I mean, Chico does have some unions behind him and Moseley Braun will have a good ground game in the black communities. So, Rahm does kinda need to try, at least.

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[ Parent ]
Er... That's the poll listed in the daily digest.


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Hey, Johnny
Could you shoot me an email when you get the chance? davidnyc - at- gmail dot com. Thanks!

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Harry Reid
privately trying to convince Tim Kaine to run for Webb's open seat.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


Makes perfect sense.
As confident as I am in Perriello's ability to pull it out in a not-awful year, Kaine is the safer bet, which is why so many are urging him to run.

It's easy to make a case one way or another regarding his intentions, since you'd be drawing on little more than vague statements and speculation, but I think people are reading way too much into nothing. It's been, what, eight days since Webb announced he wasn't running. The primary, let alone the election itself, isn't for more than a year. He isn't some obscure figure trying to raise his profile, so the need to get into the raise so that people figure out who he is isn't there. And he probably won't have trouble raising money, either. There's also the fact that, up until recently, he wasn't the incumbent, so he didn't have dibs on the nomination. It'd be one thing if he ended up dithering for months on end; he isn't. Perhaps we can give this guy a week or two to figure out what the race might entail and how he might factor into President Obama's reelection plans before going nuts.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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"Safe" Kaine best choice or just the obvious one?
This reminds me of GOPer talking up Tommy Thompson to run vs Feingold 2 years ago, he seemed the obvious choice, but in fact he would have almost certaily lost while what seemed like a 2nd tier candidate was actually the perfect choice for the campaign that actually developed.

I have no idea what kind of campaign Kaine will eventually run if he does get in, but his apparent reticence (I can't call it anything else, it's not like they hadn't known Webb was highly likely to not run again) does not give me confidence that he will be fully vested in this race the way Periello or Connolly would be.

Once you get past that I still think it's an open issue on whether the Chairman of the DNC makes a good launching pad to the Senate...he'll be hog tied to every statment he made in defense of each and every policy position the WH took. Being the head of the DNC itself isn't a problem, but the work of the position itself is an op-research wet dream....at least Connolly & Periello only have to defend their own votes...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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He wouldn't be the first to get talked into running
I've mentioned this before but Sherrod Brown and Tom Udall both declined before being talked into it. I seriously doubt anybody is persuadable unless a part of them is really interested. If his heart isn't in it he won't run. If he does run I have every confidence he will put everthing into the campaign. In terms of being DNC chair I don't think it really matters since being on the same ballot as the president is going to link them anyway.

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Maybe safer?
Kaine's hardly the Hoeven or Schumer of Virginia, but he has won statewide twice and left office reasonably popular. (The state is also trending towards the Democrats, but that's not related to him more than any other Democratic candidate.) If he's really dead set against running, which is far from clear, he's probably not the best candidate. But if he's interested, based on previous results and his good image, he seems like a safe choice--or at least safer than the other choices.

As far as his time as the head of the DNC, exactly how do you think this will be used against him? What has he done there that will specifically hurt him? This claim isn't so ridiculous as to be rejected outright, but it's not obvious, yet you keep making it.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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The Job of DNC Chair
Is to go out and advocate for whatever the WH proposes, in the process you really put yourself out on a limb and do it often. I can only imagine all the things he's said in the last 2 year about a whole host of subject that just won't play well down the road.

"Recovery Summer", "Stimulous will Create X Million Jobs" etc etc etc. I did Political Advertising for a long time and the ads almost write themselves.

Not to say he can't get past that, far FAR from it, but it's a liability that Periellow and Connolly don't have, they only have to defend their votes and their statments, which we all made with a nod toward a future campaign, whereas a party chair has to go out and defend whatever their party is selling, to be the lightening rod or be the most vocal advocate, knowing full well that the rug might get pulled out from under them, thus the reason party chairs are rarely future elected officials...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Larry Sabato knows the state better than anybody
He says whoever the Dems nominate will rise or fall with the president. I believe he is correct.

[ Parent ]
Meh
I like him a lot, and he has some very good insights, but in a close race anything can happen. I can very easily see Obama narrowly winning VA and Kaine (or whoever else) losing a close race, the opposite is also a very real possibility. If Obama fails to carry VA a good Dem candidate could very well out perform his president and carry the state, this is especially true with Allen as the GOP candidate, there might be a host of GOPish voters who will vote for the GOP nominee, but might not be so comfortable voting for Allen.

Assuming that any reasonable Dem candidate will perform close enough to Obama's numbers to assure success with Obama or preclude success should Obama faulter is muddled logic and I bet Sabato backs off from that claim as the race develops.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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I'm sure you know best


[ Parent ]
Ha!
I'm just saying I won't be taking Larry Sabato's advice to the bank, one of the benefits of being an academic, professional prognosticator or media talking head - no one seems to remember what you said before you changed your mind...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Instead of imagining what he's said,
let's take a quick look at some of the things he's said: http://www.google.com/search?q...

Please show me the clips that will be used against him in ways that other clips couldn't be used. Or, if that won't suffice, go find me some public statements.

I imagine a lot of what you will refer to has already been baked into the cake, so to speak. Anybody who has a strong opinion about the stimulus one way or another has probably already decided which party to vote for. And when Allen or any other Republican attacks him for something related to the stimulus, he can fight back by showing how it worked. Perhaps he can hold a rally in Eric Cantor's district at some Culpeper County School system location, with his Democratic congressional opponent, highlighting how the money helped.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
If it was only that easy...


"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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It is what a campaign is for
Whoever the nominee happens to be they will get tied to the national party and the president whatever.

[ Parent ]
True
But I'm saying you aren't going to overcome millions of dollars in attack ads by holding a press conference.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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There will be attack ads whoever runs
On both sides. Allen has his own problems. Kaine left office with reasonable approvals.

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True
on both counts, but his role as chief spokesman for the WH & the party will provide a large source of potentially damaging comments.

Also, I'm not talking about Allen at all at this point, her most certainly has his own weaknesses, but I'm discussing who would be the best candidate for Dems to run against him, this is a subject that should be taken into account when deciding who would be the best positioned to win the seat.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
He hasn't said or done
anything controversial as DNC Chair.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
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Controversy has nothing to do with it
The job of chair itelf has nothing to do with it, but as one of the primary spokesmen for the party and the WH it is his job to be out in front advocating for every policy or position - without protecting his personal ambition - and he has done a great job of it.

I'm not trying to make too big a deal about this, but its a potential liability and one that Periello and Connolly don't share, and something that must be taken into account when determining who is the best candidate.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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You keep badly overstating the significance of Kaine's DNC tenure......
There is nothing to use against Kaine from his DNC job that is worse than what can be used against any credible candidate.  You make up this notion that there is conspicuously damaging material out there, but Kaine has never made news as DNC Chair, he's been completely inconspicuous, and you can't point to anything specific to hurt him.

An opponent's quotations merely parroting his party's talking points don't make a good attack ad.

This business of making a big deal of Kaine as DNC Chair is silly.  Major party chairmanship has never hurt a candidate.  Michael Steele might be the only candidate in American history who hurt his political future by being a major party chairman, but he likely won't run for anything again.  Meanwhile, every Virginian remembers Kaine as Governor, that's his public image, no one cares and many don't even know he's been DNC Chair.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Why is it easy for Republicans to attack
but not easy for Democrats to do the same?

Perhaps there is more to his time at the DNC than initially meets the eye, but that's far from clear. You keep acting as if there's some sort of treasure trove of dirt that will be used against him. If there is, it shouldn't be that hard to find some of it, considering the time he's spent in the spotlight. It'd be nice if you found something--anything at all--to back up your claim, but you haven't.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Not dirt
But every defense he's given for any policy proposal is out there. Look at the electoral history of DNC/RNC Chairs, only 2 I know of have ever won office afterwords (Ed Rendell & Haley Barbour, and those two are almost the exception that proves the rule).

It's not like this is just me pulling this out of thin air the fix says something similair;

http://voices.washingtonpost.c...

"Kaine is one of President Obama's closest allies and, as chairman of the party's national convention, has been a reliable backer of the major policy initiatives put forward by the President. Senate Republicans are already building out an opposition research file on Kaine that was begun two years ago by the Republican National Committee."

I am NOT saying Kaine can't be succesful, but being DNC chair IMO complicates his run as much as it helps and should be taken into account when considering if he would be a better nominee than Periello or Connolly.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Again
He will be tied to Obama anyway since they would share a ballot. Perriello and Connolly have votes that will be used against them. There is no perfect candidate.

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I think you're both right
I'm sure Kaine has said some things as DNC head he wouldn't have said as Governor of Virginia or as Senate candidate.  I also thinkt hat some of his linkage to Obama for years also makes his approval rating leaving office as history not necessarily relevant to 2012.

I also think its obvious if Obama wins VA that could help carry Kaine over.  However, the question becomes if Obama narrowly wins/loses, do Kaine's individual positions hurt or help him head-to-head with Allen.  And will Kaine, running to represent Virgina, be held more accountable for his positions converging to the WH as opposed to being those of VA?

In the end, I'm not sure I know of many Allen/Obama voters and what in god's name such a profile would be.  I think there'd be more Romney/Kaine voters to be honest.  

Only 20.5 months to go.


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This is just more silliness, there is useful op research against anyone......
There is nothing that can be used against Kaine that is in any way more effective than what can be used against Perriello or others.

It's a laughable notion that Kaine making supportive statements on Obama's agenda is somehow more damaging than Perriello and Connolly actually voting for those same things on the agenda.  If you're going to use "[Name the Democrat] supports Obama's agenda" as an attack, you get more mileage from an opponent's actual votes than from an opponent's quotations in the press.

And unlike Perriello and Connolly, Kaine is a well-liked former statewide elected official with a record Virginians like that he can advertise.  Perriello has nothing but his votes for 2 years in Congress, and Connolly has that plus his time as a county executive which counts a helluva lot less than being Governor.

Kaine is the first choice of the White House and Senate Democrats for this seat, for obvious good reasons, and their judgment on this is right.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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I think your counterfactual speculation on Tommy Thompson is wrong......
A lot of people liked to say in hindsight that "Johnson did better than Thompson would have anyway!"

But I don't think there's any reliable evidence of that.

And I don't believe it to be true, either.

Thompson was a very popular Governor, he was never unpopular, and nothing happened to make him unpopular later.  If he ran and didn't win, it would've been because of anti-establishment teabaggers in a contested primary taking him down, not general election voters.  GOP retreads from yesteryear did just fine in other upper Midwestern states, namely Coats in IN-Sen and Branstad in IA-Gov.

I think Thompson would've beaten Feingold, and very possibly by a bigger margin than Johnson.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Corked suseptable to teabagging
43% of GOP wants a more conservative republican.  Would a tea party candidate make dens chances better if TN's former gov ran for the seat on team blue?

20, Male, Democrat, CA-44 (home) CA-12 (college)

Link
http://publicpolicypolling.blo...

An opening perhaps but not a big one looking at the other numbers.


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New York City Mayor 2013
http://www.advocate.com/News/D...

Christine Quinn a possible candidate would be the first woman and lesbian mayor of the largest city in the country.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)


I wasn't even aware Quinn is gay
She ain't winning this, though. Thompson and Weiner are the juggernauts of this one.

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