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CA-Gov, CA-Sen: Close Races, But Dem Progress

by: Crisitunity

Thu Sep 23, 2010 at 5:16 PM EDT


Field Poll (9/14-21, likely voters, 6/22-7/5 in parentheses):

Jerry Brown (D): 41 (44)
Meg Whitman (R): 41 (43)
Undecided: 18 (13)
(MoE: ±4.1%)

I asked just a few days ago where the heck the Field Poll was, and lo and behold, here they are. Same as most pollsters, they find that nobody's that into either Jerry Brown or Meg Whitman (44/47 faves for Brown, 40/45 for Whitman). With Meg Whitman's giant ad blitz canceling out the blue tint of the state, they're basically fighting to a draw. The one thing keeping Whitman in this is relative strength among Latinos (she trails only 43-40, thanks to a heavy outreach program).

The trendlines actually show Brown losing ground, but these results are actually good, because they seem to punctuate the end of a period where Whitman surged ahead of Brown among all pollsters (that seems to have abruptly come to an end with the most recent PPP, Rasmussen, and SurveyUSA polls) that the Field Poll simply missed thanks to the long lag between polls. Whitman seems to have had two spikes, one in March and one in August; I don't what to attribute them to, other than perhaps disparities in advertising, but at any rate this is what they look like visually (with smoothing cranked up to "highly sensitive"):

SurveyUSA for KABC-TV (9/19-21, likely voters, 8/31-9/1 in parentheses):

Jerry Brown (D): 46 (40)
Meg Whitman (R): 43 (47)
Other: 8 (9)
Undecided: 3 (4)

Barbara Boxer (D-inc): 49 (46)
Carly Fiorina (R): 43 (48)
Other: 6 (5)
Undecided: 2 (1)
(MoE: ±4%)

Here are those SurveyUSA results that I referenced above, a pretty big turnaround from their last set, with both races flipping in favor of the Dems. These contain good news for Barbara Boxer as well as Brown (it looks like the Field Poll Senate results will get released a different date): more support, along with SurveyUSA's WA-Sen poll this morning, for the premise that a West Coast Firewall(TM) is forming even as new Dem Senate problems keep popping up further east.

SurveyUSA is also tracking two other key races, Lt. Governor and pro-marijuana Prop 19. They find Dem Gavin Newsom leading GOP incumbent Abel Maldonado 44-41 in the LG race, and the pro-pot forces winning, 47-42. These are pretty similar numbers that PPP found in last week's survey, just released in a couple miscellany posts: they find Newsom leading Maldonado 39-36, and Prop 19 passing 47-38, even suggesting that its presence on the ballot is helping to mellow out the enthusiasm gap that's a major buzzkill in other states. PPP also finds 46-44 support for gay marriage next time that hits the ballot, and 42-16 support for nonpartisan congressional redistricting in Prop 20.

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Prop 19
Dude, that will be totally gnarly if Brown and Boxer get saved by 19.  Actually, Whitman should offer free brownies to everyone who wants them the day before election day and then they'll be too stoned to go vote and she'll go in flying.

43 - Male - GOP/Libertarian - FL 22

I see SUSA bizarre conservative youth movement cross-tabs...
dont extend to prop 19

[ Parent ]
Not just Prop. 19...
but you have all the Democrats listed with about 20-point leads among the 18-34 crowd in this SUSA poll.

[ Parent ]
I hope that's accurate regarding Brown
Because too many of my casually liberal 18-34 friends love them some eMeg, and Field agreed (though not PPP).

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I dunno
Personally, I'm perfectly capable of voting while stoned. Send me brownies, eMeg! nom nom nom....

Anyone wanna bet that there's a big Bradley Effect (aka--social desirability bias) and Prop 19 outperforms its poll numbers by at least several points?

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


[ Parent ]
polls
You already see that in the polls. Prop 19 does much better in robopolls than with live interviewers. People don't want to admit to other people that they will vote to legalize pot.

41, Ind, CA-05

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Ummm, that's why...
I always advise my Cali friends to vote by mail. That way, their ballots will have already been mailed by the time eMeg tries to bribe them with "brownies". ;-)

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
It's interesting
That black voters narrowly oppose Prop 19. I would have thought with all the union activity/NAACP support/high rates of Democratic identification among African-Americans that there would be a high rate of support for it. But, I suppose this is a very small subsample..  

[ Parent ]
It doesn't really surprise me
From what I've read and seen in my life, African-Americans are more economically liberal as opposed to socially liberal.  

40, male, Democrat, NC-04

[ Parent ]
Propositions in general need to be way ahead and over 50%
in order to pass. Support generally drops as the negative ads attack it and confuse the issue. Undecideds usually vote against. We shall see if this passes.  

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i dont know if thats with pot though
Gay marriage, yeah, abortion, maybe.  Pot?  I dunno; it really affects their community and causes a lot of gang violence.

[ Parent ]
I don't buy that
Considering how many black people the drug war has put in jail, I would think that the social desireability bias would be strongest in this racial demographic. Besides NAACP/unions support, black people know black people are way more likely to get arrested and thrown in jail for that sort of thing. Reform of the criminal justice system, which Prop 19 basically is, has usually polled particularly well among African-Americans.

Btw, I was in Hollywood tonight and noticed for the first time that there are tons of crudely-done black-and-white fliers up, inconspicuously mostly on utility boxes, with a pot leaf in the middle and "Vote Yes Prop 19" on either side. But there are a LOT of them.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


[ Parent ]
Oh wait, SUSA Crosstabs
I just realized you're talking about SUSA crosstabs, right? Was thinking Field Poll for some reason. Well screw that, I'm not about to start believing SUSA's crazytown crosstabs. Especially not on Prop 19.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

[ Parent ]
July Field Poll
Topline: 44/48 against (1005 LV)

White non-Hispanic 48/43
African-Americans 40/52
Latinos 36/62
"Asian-Americans/other" 33/62

Better news:
Have seen or heard [about Prop 19] 48/44
Haven't seen or heard [about Prop 19] 32/61


[ Parent ]
hahaha Yeah that wasn't really funny
almost 900,000 people this year alone are in prison this is a serious issue.  

CO-02 (college)/FL-15 (home).  

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Arrest* I mean
sorry just a little sick right now a close friend of mine got arrested recently for this (even though it really wasn't his idea/plan in the first place) and hes facing all sorts of problems right now and its really bothering me.  

CO-02 (college)/FL-15 (home).  

[ Parent ]
Sorry
Didn't mean to harsh your mellow.  I'm in favor of legalizing pot myself.

43 - Male - GOP/Libertarian - FL 22

[ Parent ]
I'm more interested
in CA-AG than LG. Is Harris beating Cooley?  

Any polling on
the Attorney Generals race? How is Kamala Harris doing?

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

To everyone
asking about Kamala Harris, she's DOA in November in my opinion. She could still come back, but just because this is California doesn't mean the "tough on crime" meme hasn't faded away. Just look at the sex offender bills passing through the state legislature with near unanimous support  GOP lucked out here when they got Steve Cooley. Anyway I linked both Harris and Cooley's interviews with the SF Chronicle editorial board if you're interested.

Cooley's:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...

Harris':

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...


19, Male, Independent, CA-12


Oh yes
and it didn't help that Bill Lockyer, our Democratic state treasurer openly admitted he expects Cooley to win.

With regard to the attorney general's race, pitting San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris (whose appearance before the editorial board preceded Lockyer's by about 20 minutes) against Los Angeles D.A. Steve Cooley, "I think Cooley's going to win, even though he's a mean, gloomy bureaucrat," Lockyer, himself a former state attorney general, said of the Southern California Republican.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


[ Parent ]
Well...at least
At least Lockyer had the decency to mention that Cooley's a "mean, gloomy bureaucrat." Harris is in the toughest race statewide this year, to be sure, but I don't think she's DOA. My biggest reason for hope in this race is that his name recognition seems really low even here in LA County. Well, that and the low-burn scandals that keep popping up, like accepting all those gifts. And the fact that there is no way in hell that pro-pot voters back Cooley. If stoners do somehow turn out in droves, I think it'll save Kamala Harris, too.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

[ Parent ]
"going to pot"
is certainly taking on a whole different meaning

[ Parent ]
Not really...
If Harris' campaign is smart, they'll do more digging into the Bell scandal. That happened in Cooley's backyard. So far, it still looks close enough that I wouldn't count Kamala out just yet.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
So far Cooley is the hero there
Bell is a big win for Cooley.  Those pics of Rizzo in handcuffs should make Cooley AG.

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Not DOA, but approaching Likely R
AFAIK, neither candidate is on the air in LA County.  Harris will have to make him unpalatable here in order to close the gap, and that is possible - Cooley has yet to run against a first-rate opponent (Garcetti included).  Unfortunately, I agree that the Bell scandal only helps Cooley unless the charges are somehow dismissed before the election.

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Has there been any polling?
I want to see polling before I believe any story.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Ask and you shall receive?
Quickly Chrisunity, make a wish for favorable Colorado polling. Snap your shoes together and trow your back into it man!

I wish
 Someone would poll Prop 21 which if passed will help California's state parks which are falling off a cliff and generate billions in tourist dollars.  

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17, CA-06,  


Failing
I almost guarantee it.  The "car tax" is toxic here.

[ Parent ]
I would not be too sure
 They have a very effective ad explaining how important extra lifeguards are. Also, the Ventura County newspaper and so did a couple of Central Valley ones. Also, the rural conservative areas might vote yes if they are involved with the state parks. It is a really small tax too and last June, my town passed a similar tax increase with 74% of the vote.

You are right though because the urban areas and the Inland Empire will probably strongly vote no on the measure. Still, the Yes on 21 people seem more enthusiastic.  

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17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
I actually visit state parks quite often, so I'm voting Yes
But after seeing how effectively they bludgeoned Gray Davis on the issue, I won't believe it has a chance unless Mervin Field himself tells me it does.

[ Parent ]
Screw Prop 20
This prop hurts dems disproportionately in California, and in a just world, would be implemented nation wide too keep ass hole republicans from pulling a 2003 Texas Redistricting from happening in other states.

20, Male, Democrat, CA-44 (home) CA-12 (college)

It depends, would fair
be interpreted as, "an appropriate number of safe seats for either party" or, "let's go fucking crazy and make as many swing districts as we can." Because I think the latter would help Democrats.  

[ Parent ]
I think it would be like the Iowa model
In other words, it would ignore politics and instead draw districts that are compact and respect city and county lines. Then again, it's hard to draw compact districts with the VRA in place, so even if it passes there will still be gerrymandering to a degree.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
That's another problem with this prop 20 crap
There are no standards.  Will they try to make them all even in PVI?  or will they try to make districts that keep communities together (e.g. CA-44 being in both Orange county and Riverside county, CA-23 & 24 essentially being two ugly, clearly gerrymandered districts that go up the coast.)

20, Male, Democrat, CA-44 (home) CA-12 (college)

[ Parent ]
Not only that
But the selection process was fucked up. Seriously. Some good people made it through, but some really questionable ones did, too. And actually, it kinda made me hate affirmative action for the first time--only one white male Democrat made it through to the final 20 for the Democratic pool, the poli sci chair at Cal State-Chico.

But the thing is, they just randomly picked 3 people from the state auditor's office who had no idea what they were doing and only vague instructions--so they went way overboard with racial diversity and completely forgot about everything else.

I haven't yet spotted even a token gay, for example. And there is not even one poor person in the Democrats' pool. There is 1 vaguely-lower-middle-class white lady (who makes $35k-$75k) and everyone else makes over $75k per year. WTF? The Republicans somehow managed to find a poor Asian dude (a poli sci grad student...my application was WAY better than his). And they put some POLITICIANS into the final pools, the fucking state auditor retards. I thought that disqualified you, but apparently not. I've been looking at these folks as I write and this and getting steadily more pissed off. Gah. Okay, I'm going to go chillax and have some Prop 19.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


[ Parent ]
Okay
Sorry. I didn't mean to call the state auditor people retards. That is inappropriate. If I could do that over, I would choose to call them "incredible dumbasses" instead.

Also, almost everyone is old, there's like 1 token young person in each pool, who usually isn't even that young (aka- in their 20s). Way to represent California, state auditor selectors, you fucking incredible dumbasses.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


[ Parent ]
Has this process made you want to vote yes on prop 27
Which would return redistricting back to the legislature?

20, Male, Democrat, CA-44 (home) CA-12 (college)

[ Parent ]
It sucks, but...
did you honestly expect anything different?  If they were serious about getting a cross-section of society, they would have treated it like a jury pool and chosen a couple hundred registered voters at random, THEN finding out which ones were actually interested and going through some sort of vetting process.

[ Parent ]
It could turn out better for Democrats
Everything is so gerrymandered that Democrats are pretty much boxed in. Some heavy Democratic districts could shed territory to make other districts have more of a swing and still be very safe.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

[ Parent ]
Agree
I don't like the unilateral disarmament idea, but in California it's not the end of the world.  Making a quick but educated guess, "compact" districts would probably give the Republicans 2-3 districts in the San Joaquin Valley and the Central Coast, and Democrats 3-4 in SoCal and Sacramento.  Also, even with legislative redistricting, it's entirely possible the Democrats would chicken out and not go after R-held D+PVI districts as aggressively as they could.

[ Parent ]
I won't bother posting all of my calculations...
What I will say is my own voter model (39D-34R-27I) basically finds both races tied. I think there's more cross-over voting in the Brown/Whitman race, whereas Boxer and Fiorina are shoring-up 90%+ of their party bases. Whitman and Fiorina pull into dead heats by holding single-digits leads among Indies.

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For one,
that is a ridiculously favorable model. What do you, just make up what you fancy for a voter model and their polling positions?

[ Parent ]
Impossible
Since there are more Democrats, if Boxer consolidates her base better than Brown does, and their standing is similar with independents, Boxer is in a stronger position than Brown.  I agree that some Boxer voters are crossing over for Whitman, but VERY few Brown voters are crossing over for Fiorina.

Ergo, barring an October surprise, Boxer will win.  Brown is still an open question.


[ Parent ]
I'm expecting Brown to win now and will be surprised if he loses, because...
...if Whitman can't stake out a lead after spending over $100 million all while Brown ran a lousy campaign, when CAN she establish a lead?  Seriously, she just had a great window of opportunity to put the race away and instead couldn't establish even a small lasting lead; she pulled away for about a month or so and then snapped back into a tie.

Now it's only going to be harder for Meg the rest of the way.  Brown hoarded his money and is spending now in the home stretch, and the state's electorate otherwise is showing signs of resisting the Republican wave elsewhere.

I don't think you can look at polling in isolation, you have to consider context, and a look at the forest makes it apparent that Whitman is in troble now.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
I agree he's better than even money
but while Jerry's played rope-a-dope well, he has to use that money to produce some hard-hitting ads if he expects to open up a lead.  The "Capital Gains" ad is passable, but "Serious" is atrocious - he sounds (and looks) like a Dutch uncle, and that won't help him win over younger Obama voters who aren't yet entrenched in the Democratic column.

BTW, if Whitman ever thought she could "put the race away," she has an even worse case of Huffington Syndrome than I thought.  California is far more Democratic today than it was in 1994, and unlike Arnold, she didn't start out with a large fan base from her pre-political career.


[ Parent ]
This is the point I have been trying to get across all along.
If more than $100 million can't buy you better than a statistical tie, then that speaks volumes about your campaign style and quality as a candidate. Candidates and campaigns matter, and you can't just paint every place in America with the same broad brush. (It's rather boring and over-simplistic anyway.) Most people that have seen Whitman on TV by now are likely pissed because either they are sick and tired of seeing her face all over the TV screens or they feel resentment at seeing her spend so much while they are forced to cut back. And now add in Jerry Brown going on the air, while running a shoestring campaign to better relate to voters, then it seems like it's curtains for eMeg. (And, if she gets crushed (*crosses fingers*), then I hope it sends the message: Money alone can't buy you love or enough votes to win.

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28, New Democrat, Female, TX-03 (hometown CA-26)


[ Parent ]
Or that
California is such a Dem and liberal state that the only way a Repub can win is to be a RINO and/or be opposed by a very bad Dem candidate.

38, male, conservative Republican, TX-3 currently (IL-13)

[ Parent ]
I think you're both right n/t


"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
You're right.
I should have mentioned that in my comment above.

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[ Parent ]
If Boxer gets 90% of Dems
she's going to win.  I have a hard time seeing Fiorina winning independents by any decent margin, as independents in California, especially in the Bay area, are quite liberal.  Fiorina has to win over some moderate/conservative Dems to win this race.  

38, male, conservative Republican, TX-3 currently (IL-13)

[ Parent ]
I'm happy with the Brown numbers.
A good number of crossover voters exist, but Brown might do better with Independents because of his less polarizing attitude. (Boxer)

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

CA-Sen: Field finds Boxer up 6
http://field.com/fieldpollonli...

From the last poll, Fiorina's down 3, Boxer's stagnant.

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