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SSP Daily Digest: 7/14 (Morning Edition)

by: DavidNYC

Wed Jul 14, 2010 at 8:02 AM EDT


  • CO-Sen: Ken Buck raised $417K in Q2 and had $664K cash-on-hand - more than rival Jane Norton does, despite the fact that she outraised him.
  • KY-Sen: Rand Paul campaign chair David Adams is leaving - or being asked to leave. You never know with these things. Anyhow, Adams supposedly prefers state to federal politics (especially funny in the context of this campaign) and is going to manage some unspecified gubernatorial candidate. As CNN notes, though, Adams had actually been Paul's campaign manager, but was recently demoted after Rand's disastrous set of post-primary interviews.
  • NV-Sen: In an interview with Ralph Reed, Sharron Angle informs the world that "God has been in this" - her campaign - "from the beginning." I think Harry Reid would agree, since it's a damn near miracle that we landed an opponent so awful!
  • WA-Sen: Dino Rossi says he raised $1.4 million since launching his campaign six weeks ago, but no word on his cash-on-hand. That's not too shabby, and it might look impressive compared to Patty Murray's $1.6 million haul for the entire quarter. But that first batch of cash is always the easiest to raise - the proverbial low-hanging fruit. Can he sustain that momentum?
  • WI-Sen: King of the Loons Jim DeMint has endorsed Ron Johnson - a rare instance, as Dave Catanese points out, where the establishment choice has also been DeMinted.
  • WV-Sen: Gov. Joe Manchin says he'll name a temporary replacement for Robert Byrd by 5pm on Friday. Manchin also released the text of proposed legislation to change WV's succession laws. The new law would allow a special election this November, with primaries (if necessary) to be held on August 31st.
  • AZ-Gov: It's pretty amazing how much becoming the standard-bearer for xenophobia has dramatically altered Jan Brewer's entire candidacy. She was an accidental governor, elevated to the post by Janet Napolitano's appointment to the Department of Homeland Security. She also looked like electoral roadkill, losing ugly fights with an even further-right state legislature and drawing several high-profile opponents. But along came SB 1070, Arizona's infamous new immigration law. Brewer's full-throated support for the legislation, and her hysterical ranting about undocumented immigrants, have made her the conservative belle du jour. Just a few days ago, one of her major challengers, state Treasurer Dean Martin, bailed on the race. And now, the other big name running against her - wealthy NRA board member Buz Mills - is also dropping out. So at this point, it's pretty much game on between Brewer and Dem AG Terry Goddard.
  • GA-Gov: Magellan Strategies (7/8, likely Republican primary voters, no trendlines):
  • Karen Handel: 32
    Nathan Deal: 18
    John Oxendine: 18
    Eric Johnson: 12
    Ray McBerry: 3
    Jeff Chapman: 3
    Otis Putnam: 0
    Undecided: 14
    (MoE: ±2.8%)

  • MI-07: Former Rep. Joe Schwarz, who held this seat for one term, has endorsed Brian Rooney in the GOP primary, over the man who primaried him out in 2006, Club for Growth cabana boy Tim Walberg. It's not clear how much a Schwarz endorsement helps in a Republican race, though, considering he also backed now-Rep. Mark Schauer (D) in 2008. And this bit of support is entirely conditional - not only does Schwarz say he'll definitely support Schauer if Walberg wins the primary, but he might even do so if Rooney wins, saying he'll re-evaluate things later.
  • MN-06: Both Michele Bachmann's chief-of-staff and (of more relevance to her campaign) her finance director have parted ways with the polarizing congresswoman. It's often tricky to tell whether a departure is a sign of turmoil, an indicator that a campaign is getting an upgrade, or really just nothing doing. But in this case, the fact that no replacements are being announced suggests that this isn't part of an orderly transition. What's more, why would Bachmann's fundraiser leave right after announcing such an enormous quarterly haul? It's especially telling that the fundraiser, Zandra Wolcott, wouldn't say if she left or was pushed.
  • NM-01: A healthy quarter for Martin Heinrich: $376K raised, $1.3 million cash-on-hand.
  • PA-07: Fabrizio, McLaughlin and Associates for Pat Meehan (6/16-17, likely voters, no trendlines):
  • Bryan Lentz (D): 26
    Pat Meehan (R): 47
    (MoE: ±4.9%)

    Meehan favorables: 33-12. Lentz favorables: 12-7. A Lentz spokesperson attacked the poll as "skewed" but offered no specific critiques.

  • SD-AL: Stephanie Herseth Sandlin is out with her first ad of the campaign season, a bio spot which touts her vote against a "trillion-dollar health care plan."
  • TN-08: The hip-hop wars are raging again! But it's no longer Tupac vs. Biggie - this time it's Republican Rob Kirkland versus radio station owner George Flinn on the mean streets of Memphis, TN. You may recall the odd situation here where Rob has been spending a fortune on allegedly "independent" expenditures on behalf of his brother Ron, who is the actual candidate in this race. Anyhow, Rob's latest broadside is against Flinn's ownership of a local hip-hop station, which (according to a Kirkland tv ad) "promotes gang violence, drug abuse, and insults women." Another mailer attacks Flinn for "filthy gangster rap into our district." Hey, guess what? Tipper Gore called, she wants her 1992-era harangue back.
  • DSCC: Seriously, who in hell allowed this to happen? Pretty much every Democratic senate candidate under the sun participated in a trial lawyers fundraiser... in Vancouver, CANADA. WTF? Could the optics be any worse? A fundraiser in a foreign country? And I don't want to get all GOP-talking-point on you, but the fact that it's the trial lawyers doesn't really help. I'm filing this one under "DSCC" because you can't possibly pull off an event of this magnitude without the DS knowing - and someone there should have had the brains to stop it. Or at least change the fucking venue to, you know, the United States of America. Maybe? Jeez.
  • Iowa: Jonathan Martin has an interesting piece at Politico about Christie Vilsack, who says she is "really interested" in running for office, perhaps as soon as 2012. It sounds like the House is her most likely target, but it's hard to say where she might run. She and her family have ties all over the state, and Iowa is likely to lose a congressional district after the census. Though Martin doesn't mention it, it's not inconceivable that Sen. Tom Harkin will retire in 2014 (when he'll be 75), which would create a big opening.
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    Sharron Angle's God Comments
    I think refer to her belief that she has the Lord's strength and grace behind her as she goes through this trial of a campaign. It's not like she's the first person to invoke God's support in anything one does. There really shouldn't be any political flak for such a statement.

    Or at least any more...
    than any other candidate who pushes that narcissistic, divine intervention drivel into a political campaign...

    [ Parent ]
    jokes are funny
    If you let them be

    [ Parent ]
    TN-08: Flinn
    This just adds credibility to the Flinn campaign and its impact on the primary electorate. Flinn has stuck primarily to a job creation message with a recent touch of attack ads, while Fincher and Kirkland have hammered each other over who has the most Democratic friendly associations.  

    Democrat: TN-8

    GA-Gov. and AZ-Gov.
    In Georgia, is there a chance now that with Deal and Oxendine tied that Deal could overtake him and go to the runoff against Handel? Because that's what it looks like with this poll.

    As for Arizona, does anyone get the sense that ever since Napolitano left, massive amounts of proverbial crap have just gushed forward? This immigration bill is probably just the start; I also heard some GOP lawmakers trying to ban photo radar down there. Janet Napolitano must have been the lid on Pandora's Box all this time.


    I recall Napolitano vetoed LOTS of bills......
    I vaguely recall reading long ago that Napolitano was a veto machine.  The state legislature is dominated by the GOP and conservatives do whatever they want there, and yes, Napolitano was the only backstop.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

    [ Parent ]
    photo radar?
    and people tell us Dems we need to get our priorities straight in these economic times....

    God GOPers are so paranoid


    [ Parent ]
    Yeah
    There was a funny clip with some moronic state rep about the photo radars on the daily show.  

    Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

    [ Parent ]
    If you've ever drivnen in Phoenix...
    ...you'd hate the photo-radar, too.. Every street corner has a red light camera, and every mile of the highway has cameras looking at you.  It's very creepy... like the whole state is run by the East German Stazi.

    It's extremely authoritarian and controlling... I'd think the GOP would love it!


    [ Parent ]
    Ok, Ill retract my statement
    Here I was thinking it was some like black helicopters type of thing.

    That'd really piss me off.  Yay SCOMN, they ruled them unconstitutional.


    [ Parent ]
    Odd
    Some good news from Rasmussen.

    Boxer-49
    Demon Sheep Lady-42

    http://www.rasmussenreports.co...

    Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  


    Rest assured,
    Scott already has a new poll in the field to correct this glaring oversight.

    [ Parent ]
    Sadly I view this as just another outlier proving Rasmussen's unreliability......
    Field is the gold standard and has Boxer up one, SUSA has Fiorina up 2.  So it's a toss-up.  I don't buy Boxer up 7.

    I suspect this is one of those instances where doing a one-night sample caused the outlier result.  I bet if Scotty did 3-4 nights like almost everyone else does, we'd see a tighter race.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    Boxer might win by 7% come election night...
    But, for the time being, I agree, it's probably a dead heat. I suspect Boxer probably has about 80-85% of Dems, Fiorina has 90-95% of Republicans, and it's a barn burner among Indies. Meaning, in California language, a toss-up.

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    [ Parent ]
    Speaking of Scott
    If you haven't seen this, Pollster.com did a good analysis of Rasmussen's house effect on both it's Senate and generic ballot polls. Bottom line - it's very much present in the latter, but not as much in the former.

    http://www.pollster.com/blogs/...

    I do think were starting to get to the part of the year where I take Rasmussen seriously. Where they start to "correct" their polls as it were. Still, I agree with the above commentary - this California poll seems like an outlier.  


    [ Parent ]
    OR-Gov: Dudley ducks debate
    and it doesn't matter? http://www.kptv.com/yourvote/2...

    "If Chris Dudley's campaign said, 'We need to do this. It's important to us,' he would be there," Hibbitts said. "Their judgment is that it isn't that important and they can afford to blow it off politically. And, I would say candidly, I think they're correct."v

    Hibbitts is the gold standard for political analysis (and polling) in OR.

    I hate to say it, but he's probably right. Voters aren't paying attention yet.


    MN-06: staff departures not new for Bachmann, this has ALWAYS happened......
    Bachmann is notorious for massive staff turnover.  That's because she's fucking batshit crazy, and even many of her conservative Republican staff privately know that and don't want to serve that.  So they leave.  These latest departures are business-as-usual on Planet Bachmann.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

    PA
    Looks like Lentz is roadkill no?  Meehan seems like someone who can hold the seat for a while too.  Sestak had better win the Senate race, otherwise that move looks abysmal.

    29/D/Male/NY-01

    It's an internal poll
    And it's only July

    [ Parent ]
    He's totally unknown still
    12-7 favorables?  Seriously.

    party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

    [ Parent ]
    Bingo, and the favorables raise suspicion that theyr'e releasing dishonest numbers......
    Favorables were 33-12 Meehan, 12-7 Lentz.

    How is it that 45% of respondents have an opinion of Meehan, and only 19% have an opinion of Lentz?  Meehan has never run for anything in his life and otherwise has no name recognition from doing anything, while Lentz at least is a state Rep with some real constituents in the district.

    Those favorables tell me they did some positive message-testing of Meehan, and the horse race numbers released where from post-message horse race question.

    The only other explanation is that Meehan has been airing broadcast TV ads while Lentz has not, but I haven't read anything about Meehan being on TV.  Certainly no one here has reported that.  And the GOP primary wasn't hotly contested, so there's no real residual name rec from back then.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    no tv ads that i've seen
    The district is in the philly market.  No ads that I've seen so far.  Ironically the ink house ads I've seen since the primaries has been a combined Dent/Gerlach ad and even that has gone away since July started.

    I was told Meehan was the former DA so it might make sense he is a little more well known.

    Still don't trust the poll either though...


    [ Parent ]
    Meehan
    Is a former Delaware County D.A and US Attorney.  

    [ Parent ]
    DA matters
    No one ever knows a US attorney based on that alone.  Still a DA with only 45% rec isn't great either.

    [ Parent ]
    DA can matter, I didn't know that about him, but still dubious name rec......
    I looked up his bio, I didn't know before my previous comment he had been an elected DA.  And I see he prosecuted a couple high-profile murders, so I can see where he might have been on TV some from that.

    Still, that was a decade-plus ago, and no one recognizes the name of a U.S. Attorney, except maybe Patrick Fitzgerald in Chicago since he's been in the news so much over the years.

    So I remain skeptical that 45% of district poll respondents honestly would have an opinion of him one way or the other.  I'm certainly skeptical that he'd have 45% with an opinion compared to just 19% for Lentz.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    i'm not as skeptical
    I just don't think July internal polls with 20-30% undecided tells us much of anything at all.  Just like most open seat house races, this one has a ways to go.

    [ Parent ]
    Some US Attorneys are well known
    Without being a DA before, like Chris Christie was and Jim Letten, and of course Don Cazayoux, but he's a former congressman, so thats why.  

    [ Parent ]
    Letten prosecuted the governor of Louisiana
    It's hard not to get some name recognition out of that. I can't speak for Christie, but that seems like a case of an exception which proves the rule, both US attorneys stand out for the reason that they are relatively well known.

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    24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


    [ Parent ]
    The poll's sample was 47R, 38D, 9I
    I'm not sure what the registration numbers are in this district, but I don't think the GOP has that much of an edge.

    24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

    [ Parent ]
    Registration for delaware CO, 12/09
    from the PA Sos, ref, (PDF) http://www.portal.state.pa.us/...

    D: 168,560
    R: 181,655
    I:  40,510

    I gather Delaware Co is most of PA-07, so the overall sample seems credible.


    [ Parent ]
    At the end of the day
    The makeup doesn't matter.  Lent needs to win repulse to win.  Crosstabs with % of rubs voting for lentz
    would tell us the real story.

    [ Parent ]
    Fun internal poll blasts from the past:
    Remember the POS poll of OH-1 from July, 2008 that showed Chabot destroying Driehaus 50-37, and sporting a 63% favorability rating?

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

    Or the Connolly poll from around that same time showing him 31 points up?

    http://gerryconnolly.wordpress...

    Just putting those out there to remind anyone freaking out (or encouraged) by the recently released lopsided internals that what happens in November is often very different from what campaign shows you happening in July.

    21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



    Thank you for the reminder to take these with big grains of salt......
    Chuck Todd on MSNBC First Read made a point of posting a couple weeks ago that private campaign polling is very good and trustworthy, but that does not necessarily apply to private numbers released to the public.

    Campaigns have alternative sets of horse race numbers, and they'll often release publicly whatever is most favorable.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    WI-Sen fundraising
    Johnson raised 560k and has nearly a million CoH http://www.wqow.com/Global/sto... Feingold raised 1.4 million and has 4.3 mil CoH. http://twitter.com/FECTweets/s...

    Big news
    More plagiarism allegations propping up, and, big news, The state's largest newspaper suggested McInnis should not be governor:

       If you put your name on something and take money for it - a lot of money in this case - it is your responsibility to make rock-solid sure it is bona fide, original work that will stand up to scrutiny.

       The state's chief executive must be someone Coloradans can believe in as the state suffers a stretch of tight budgets and a struggling economy.

       If Scott McInnis cannot be trusted to turn in what amounts to an overpaid term paper - without plagiarizing someone else's work - there is no way he can be relied upon to guide Colorado through these complicated times.



    Yes, this seems to be more serious than I first thought


    [ Parent ]
    So
    Do Republican's rally around Meas or get McInnis to drop of the ballot and replace him with John Suthers, Bob Beauprez, Schaffer, or someone else?  

    [ Parent ]
    I grant there's still time
    But if the Republicans are forced to bring someone else in then they've probably lost the governor's mansion anyways, as they'd have to build up a campaign from scratch (and I don't think there are any Colorado Republicans right now who are popular or established enough to get away with it).

    Either way though, Hickenlooper has to be smiling right now.

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    24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


    [ Parent ]
    Would the GOP draft Bill Owens?
    former CO Gov (not NY-23) would sorta be in the mold of Lautenberg taking over for Torricelli.

    [ Parent ]
    I thought about him too
    But does CO have two term limits or is it only two consecutive terms?  

    [ Parent ]
    He can run
    According to Wikipedia's term limit map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...

    [ Parent ]
    There's also the problem of the primary
    Meas and McInnis are already on the ballot, if McInnis drops out, they can't just put someone else on the ballot unless Meas drops out too (at least that's what I'd think would happen under the law).

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    24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


    [ Parent ]
    I mean
    After he wins the primary.  

    [ Parent ]
    Filing deadline HAS PASSED and Maes MUST drop out or else HE'S IT......
    Of course that assumes McInnis drops out.

    Chris Cillizza posted on The Fix today that in CO GOP circles they're calling McInnis toast, there appears to be consensus he can't survive this and is done.

    Frankly that shocks me because on the surface I still don't think this is over.  If I were a Republican out there, I'd insist on waiting to see fallout in polling before calling McInnis a political dead man walkin'.  If I were in their shoes, and the filing deadline has passed and there's one other guy on the ballot who's not remotely viable in November, I would not surrender on McInnis so hastily.

    I'll be surprised if McInnis drops out before private polling is conducted after another week or two to see how much voters care about this.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    A quick google reveals
    http://www.leg.state.co.us/lcs...

    Shall there be an amendment to the Colorado Constitution limiting the number of consecutive terms that may be served by the Governor, Lt. Governor, Secretary of State, Attorney General, Treasurer, members of the General Assembly, and United States Senators and Representatives elected from Colorado?

    which suggests that Owens would be eligible in '10.


    [ Parent ]
    Suthers
    Is the current AG and a former US Attorney. He is running for re-election, so he has some money for a state election. Suthers currently has more CoH than Hickenlooper, with 209k. And what about Gale Norton? She could probably raise a lot fast. IDK if she has ethical problems though? I know there were some Norton's in CO that had corruption issues, was she one?  

    [ Parent ]
    you beat me to it GOP
    norton seems the easiest way to solve CO GOP's probs.  better nom than innis, or whatever his name is and is stops the cat fud in the senate contest.  which is why i doubt it will happen.

    Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

    [ Parent ]
    Not Jane
    Gale, the former CO AG and Interior Secretary.  

    [ Parent ]
    whoops
    my mistake.

    Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

    [ Parent ]
    Norton is brutally polarizing
    and linked to the Bush admin on top of whatever ethical issues she has.  I don't believe that she would have much of a chance against Hickenlooper.

    [ Parent ]
    You're jumping the gun, filing deadline passed, McInnis AND MAES must drop out before...
    ...a "substitute" candidate can be seriously discussed.

    And why in the world would Maes drop out?  He has some real activist support to make him believe he's more than he is, and McInnis' scandal is matta from the sky for him!  He was finished, and then this gift!

    I actually doubt McInnis will drop out.  State Republicans ultimately will realize they're stuck with Maes otherwise, and they're probably still better off with McInnis.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    Chris Clizza hears he will
    He says its a matter of when, not if, he will drop out: http://voices.washingtonpost.c...

    [ Parent ]
    Wrong, I read your link earlier myself and it only confirms what I wrote......
    The language you read says, "Sources in Colorado Republican circles say it's likely a matter of when, not if, McInnis will exit the race."

    But read the whole thing, it makes clear what "sources in Colorado" tell Cillizza is speculation, and Cillizza himself implicitly admits to that by couching a McInnis drop-out as an "if" not a "when" and noting that another source in Colorado told him, "'He may be the last one to know it, but he's dead in the water....It's likely he will resist heavily, but at some point he's got to realize this is a fact of life.'"  So there's acknowledgement of McInnis' likely resistance to pressure to drop out.

    The only thing clear from Cillizza's blog post is that Colorado Republicans want McInnis to drop out.  There's no indication McInnis will comply.  And if he does, then CO Republicans are stuck with Maes.

    The notion that McInnis can ride it out through the primary and drop out then to keep Maes from being the nominee and letting the state party pick, that falls down fast when you think about the politics of it.  If the damage for November is real, then having McInnis still "the one" for another month is itself fatal for November.  If he drops out post-primary and the state party handpicks a new nominee, how will general election voters react to that?  Methinks not too well, Hickenlooper will waltz to victory over such a late pick.  The only way CO Republicans are competitive is if they actually persuade Bill Owens to come back and run, and he could just win.  But if he doesn't want it, they're done.

    I have to think these state GOP operatives will come around to realizing that for at least another week or two, McInnis remains the least bad of bad options.  If private polling shows McInnis nosediving, only then is it smart to try to put together a Plan B.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    methinks you'll retract
    Your overwhelming "Wrong" soon.  McInnis is toast.

    [ Parent ]
    It would be my pleasure to issue that retraction if it happens! But I'm assuming...
    ...Colorado Republicans wise up and play it smart.  Maybe they won't, and they'll find McInnis is gone only to see Maes refuse to drop out and become a sacrificial lamb in November.  But I'm giving the state party more credit than that.

    On the other hand, since Dick Wadhams is out there now, giving them credit for smart politics might not be too smart itself!

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    Credit where credit is due
    Cillizza didn't write that piece -- Aaron Blake did. Check the by-line!

    [ Parent ]
    I never do
    I always assume is Cilizza (and I always mispell his name!) when it comes from the fix. woops!  

    [ Parent ]
    Maes has not dropped out when running against someone
    Why on Earth would he drop out when running against no one?

    That would have to be the most ridiculous act of this cycle, which is saying a lot.

    Maes vs Hickenlooper


    [ Parent ]
    My personal view
    this is what I call a wine-track scandal.  That is, it is something that highly educated people and editorial boards may care about, but not something that the average American considers that important.  A floor speech or an editorial that McInnis got from another editorial because he liked the content and repeated is not a big issue to me.

    It outrages me to no end that some minor plagiarism may cost a politician a career, but politicians regularly get away with cheating on a spouse, which is the most telling part of a person's character.


    [ Parent ]
    This is how I feel too
    Yes, the plagiarism when working for the foundation was dumb, but I don't think it's something that will ultimately decide how people vote. McDonnell's crazy college thesis didn't matter to anyone, and I doubt this will too.

    And as far as McInnis's "plagiarism" in his op-ed, virtually every politician is guilty of this to one extent or another. Most Republican floor speeches and ideas are cribbed from Heritage or AEI or Cato, while Democrats pull heavily from the CAP, EPI and others. Even the wording is often identical. The original plagiarism is a story, but this addendum is just a case of "Hey, look! A politician is acting like a politician!"


    [ Parent ]
    One thing...
    I've heard the Denver Post editorial page described as moderate to liberal. They definitely endorsed Obama. So their call for McInnis to drop out might not mean as much as it would coming from a more conservative paper.  

    [ Parent ]
    I shake my head that anyone thinks a newspaper editorial matters......
    All that really matters is how voters react to all this.  And how the entire CO GOP establishment plays it affects geratly how voters react.

    Richard Blumenthal's response to the NYT military service lying charges was a clinic in how to weather this type of sudden storm.  He pushed back hard, allies helped him, the source, the NYT, itself was somewhat discredited, and Blumenthal ultimately gave some sort of apology that he could claim to have made but that seemed by that time buried and therefore didn't have the effect of a confession.  And never did state or national Democrats panic.

    McInnis is being done in by his own, with state Republicans apparently panicking, and no one getting his back!

    But yet, it's not a given McInnis can't weather this.

    Don't get me wrong, I hope Hickenlooper waltzes to victory, but in a year when people are going to get elected even after these kinds of tarnishments, I'm not counting out McInnis just yet.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    Lying about serving in a war
    is a much bigger issue, IMO. Blumenthal survived, IMO, in large part because it was ambiguous whether he said he had served in Vietnam.  There were several occasions where Blumenthal stated clearly that he did not serve in Vietnam, specifically in a debate.

    Kirk was much more hurt by this than was Blumenthal because he flat out lied.


    [ Parent ]
    Right
    Its alot easier to have a major issue that cost you 10 or 15 points in the polls when your up by 35. But, if your only up around 5, a drop of 10 or 15 is deadly. Thats why Blumenthal has weathered it so nice and Kirk And probably McInnis won't.  

    [ Parent ]
    I really disagree
    People can understand fibbing or misspeaking.  Plagiarism is a very methodical and well thought-out plan to lie and pass off someone else work as your own.

    [ Parent ]
    I agreee, with the other guy
    Thisd is a much bigger issue. This is taking money for work he didn't do. It's ridiculous to suggest this is a wine track scandal; regular voters won't care a guy got paid 300,000 dollars and then defrauded those who paid him with obviously plagiarized work?

    [ Parent ]
    Even in high school
    students know the consequences of plagiarism.

    It is theft. In essence, McInnis stole $300k from the subject foundation. That is not "minor".

    I don't see this as a "wine track" issue, except perhaps among high school dropouts.

    The excuse that "everyone in Congress does it" won't cut it, IMO, except perhaps to further sully the reputation of every Congressman.


    [ Parent ]
    High School students may know
    that plagiarism and cheating is not allowed, but few seem to care.  In 1998, a major survey found

       
    * 80% of the country's best students cheated to get to the top of their class.
       * More than half the students surveyed said that they don't think cheating is a big deal.
       * 95% of cheaters say they were not caught.
       * 40% cheated on a quiz or a test
       * 67% copied someone else's homework

    http://www.glass-castle.com/cl...

    What this suggests is that students think that even if plagiarism is cheating, they don't particularly care.  And if they don't care about it, as adults they probably won't care if a public official does it.  

    This became a minor issue in 2008 for Obama as well, and he dodged it pretty easily.  

    Now personally I am in support of much harsher sanctions against students who copy or cheat because it is unfair to people who follow the rules.  


    [ Parent ]
    The essence of the "working class" IMO
    is people who do their best with the skills they have, and follow the rules.

    While they may have rebelled like the rest of us in high school, they know right and wrong -- and learned such standards in high school. They would be horrified if/when their kids plagiarize.

    I believe that they will see McInnis' actions for the theft that it is.


    [ Parent ]
    I don't agree
    People instinctively understand cheating as copying someone else's paper, and they know that is wrong.  Copying something from a book, newspaper, or the internet, is not the considered the same thing by most.  For professionals, this may be clear.  For those who didn't go to college, it probably isn't.  

    And arguing what McInnis did was theft, I'll guarantee that most people don't understand theft in that way.


    [ Parent ]
    I think your answer is what a lawyer would say
    My understanding is that the American working class is especially sensitive to right and wrong -- and is offended when those officials who are supposed to govern us find ways around the rules that the rest of us follow.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes and no
    the American working class from my experience is a rather complex phenomenon.  They are quite sensitive to right and wrong, but it really comes from life experiences.  Losing money because people plagiarized your work is not something that can immediately be empathized with for most working class people.  (To be honest, I personally had not even thought about it that way until you mentioned it.)  

    Things like cheating on a spouse, lying, not paying taxes, criminal activity (both street and corporate), drug use, etc are things can be easily felt.  Things like plagiarism and illegal downloading seem a little abstract, in comparison.

    I'm sure that my parents, for example, would have disapproved of plagiarism or illegal downloading if I did those things when I was a teen, but I don't think they would have seen it as theft.  


    [ Parent ]
    Cheating does not equate to plagiarism


    [ Parent ]
    "Good artists create, Great artist steal!"
    Run with it McInnis!

    26, Male, Democrat, TX-26

    [ Parent ]
    Joe Schwarz
    Schwarz is a good person and sadly a dying breed.  I was kind of disappointed that he didn't run for Governor although I like Bernero's populism some of his plans for Michigan may lack specifics.  Schwarz would have added well to the debate.  

    Please donate to amcharities.org to help build more after school centers in the Miami area.  

    23, Democrat, IA-2


    AZ-Sen: McCain trouncing Hayworth, 64%-19%
    Am I readin it wrong?
    Only 190 Republicans interviewed... it seems this poll is Reps+Dems+Inds rather than just Republicans, meaning Mccain is beating Hayworth among a sample of 50+ non- Republicans.

    In other words, who cares?  This is a GOP primary, not a general election.


    [ Parent ]
    McCain will win
    but certaiunly not by 45% I wouldn't think.  If he mwins by even 1 vote he's the nominee, so not sure why any of us care.  

    Given Brewer's coattails this fall, is there any doubt the Republican nominee will win.  I know we all hate Brewer's stances but Arizona is the state where I'm most worried about a Republican wave surprising us in November.


    [ Parent ]
    What freaking coattails?
    Only Rasmussen puts Brewer ahead.  PPP has Goddard ahead.

    Arizona is one state where Democratic turnout will 100% for sure better than Republican turnout.  Latinos in Arizona are the most motivated group in the country.

    This is a useless poll (Democrats can't vote in GOP primaries in Arizona, right?), but Arizona will be one of the most interesting states in November.


    [ Parent ]
    I bet he WILL win the primary in the ballpark of 45 points now......
    Hayworth is completely destroyed by his infomercials for "government money" and his awful bouncing around response to the attacks.  The apology he finally gave was necessary and yet still hurt him further since it was a confession.

    I think a lot of Repugs who planned on voting for Hayworth are now set on McCain.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    Oregon as NRSC target?
    http://twitter.com/greggiroux/...
    Maybe its just regular practice for the NRSC chair to donate to every Republican nominee? I know Huffman did meet with Cornyn last month.  

    My former
    AP US History teacher who's as much into the horserace stuff of politics like I am told me a few months ago the climate's so bad you'll see senators on both sides lose and they wouldn't know it until it was too late. If his words hold true and you believe Rasmussen, if the climate's bad enough, Huffman could theoretically upset Wyden. Personally Wyden shouldn't let his guard down...

    19, Male, Independent, CA-12

    [ Parent ]
    Barletta crushing Kanjo
    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/ey...
    Probably one of the most believable internal polls we've seen here in awhile.

    Yeah, Kanjo's done for
    If he wins, it will be considered an upset and probably means the Dems are having a great night. I think he's to the Dems in 2010 what Hostettler was to the Reps in 2006. On the bright side, a Barletta win probably means his district will swap Scranton and Wilkes-Barre with the more Republicans parts of the 10th. This is assuming Chris Carney survives 2010, but I really can't see him losing.

    21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
    please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


    [ Parent ]
    It was an upset when Kanjorski survived in 2008......
    I actually viewed him as the Democratic incumbent most likely to lose heading into the final week or two of the 2008 campaign, moreso than the 5 who did lose.  I was outright surprised he won, even with the wind at our party's back, and no doubt that wind is the only reason he won.

    So I'm not surprised at all that he's down, and even that he might be down by double-digits.

    But 19 points?  I'm sorry, no.  I don't buy that much.  Not that it matters, there's no reward for losing by a little instead of a lot.

    I really was hoping O'Brien would win the primary a couple months back, in which case I bet we'd hold this seat.  As it is, I hope he gives it another go in 2012, assuming redistricting doesn't do violence to it's current partisan makeup.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    redistricting
    it's safe to assume redistricting will either be split or all R. if it's split it probably means incumbent protection which almost certainly means a trade between the 10th and 11th. even if it's another R map, I'd imagine they would have learned their lesson from the last dummymander and probably just concede the 10th in exchange for making the 11th Republican.

    21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
    please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


    [ Parent ]
    NV-Sen: more good news for Reid re new ad and new polling......
    First, good polling out today.  Patriot Majority did a poll, 600 respondents, showing Reid up 44-40.  Reid at 45-52 favorability, Angle at 40-41.  No link to poll, just Ralson's Tweet at http://twitter.com/RalstonFlas...  Second, Ralston apparently e-mailed on that poll to his list serve including Taegan Goddard, who posted at Political Wire ( http://politicalwire.com/archi... ) that Ralston says he's seen a "non-Dem" poll (after conceding Patriot majority is partisan pro-Dem 3rd-party group) with what he called "nearly identical numbers."  

    Third, Ralston tweets also that Reid reports $19.2 million raised total, $8.9 million banked, $2.4 million raised in Q2.  He's in great shape!

    Fourth, new Reid ad again slams Angle on jobs, yet again using audio of her own words against her:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    Really, Reid is kicking ass and I'm more confident every week.  Angle and Rove just can't come remotely close to keeping up, and Angle is a constant disaster everytime she opens her mouth.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    I wonder...
    If she could be convinced to drop off the ballot for Heller's house seat? Since Dems didn't bother contesting it, she could drop off citing family concerns or something, Heller could replace her, and they could replace him with her. She could sell it as her children or husband were upset with Reid's attacks, and she wouldn't have to deal with them in the House race.
    I know, wishful thinking, but hey, a guy can dream!  

    [ Parent ]
    Unlike Alvin Greene
    Angle was very well known throughout before she ran.  Republican voters knew very well (or should have) what they were getting when they voted for her.

    It does appear that the best thing for the Democratic Party is "energized" Republican voters.  They've managed to do what should have been impossible, raise up the corpse of Harry Lazarus Reid.


    [ Parent ]
    That's not remotely true. On the contrary, they didn't know her at all......
    Angle was an unknown, which is why she lagged in the primary polling until very late.  She was a former state legislator, nothing more.  She spiked late and won because Lowden tanked and teabaggers and independent expenditures picked her over Tarkanian.

    Heller won't challenge Reid, especially now so late, he's part of the Nevada federal electeds non-aggression pact.  Heller won't say a word critical of Reid or lift a finger to help Angle.  Same goes for Ensign.  And Reid won't say a bad word about Ensign or Heller.

    Reid is going to beat Angle, maybe handily the way things are going.  Reid actually is showing great discipline, keeping his mouth shut, while Angle can't open her mouth without embarrassing herself.  It's striking and real bad that Angle and her allies don't know how to use Reid's unpopularity against him.  And that the NRSC doesn't go in with attack ads to help out says something about their view of their prospects.  Angle needs help NOW and is not getting it, except from Karl Rove, whose ads just are getting swamped by Reid's and allied ads and Angle's mouth and resulting media batterings.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    That's absurd
    She was very well-known for her hopelessly eccentric votes in the assembly.  And you appear to be unaware that she lost to Heller in 2006 primary by just 450 votes.

    The is absolutely zero of a surprise element here.  She probably was the best known non-officeholder, non-son-of-somebody in Nevada politics going into this year.


    [ Parent ]
    LOSING a House race PRIMARY doesn't create name rec, nor does a past 6-year stint...
    ...in the state legislature.  Yeah she was a gadfly, but all polling this year except the untrustworthy Rasmussen shows a high percentage of people not having any opinion of her.  Even the new Patriot Majority poll shows 19% with no opinion, after a barrage of attack ads and hostile and intense local and state media coverage.

    Given that Angle won a strong 41% in the primary, I bet a lot of her voters in May didn't really know much about her and were following the crowd, having no idea what they were getting themselves into.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    I'm not sure what point you are making
    only 19% never hearing of her is very small!  

    Contrast that with right now 40% having no opinion of Jack Conway and 24% having no opinion on Rand freaking Paul!

    C'mon, she wasn't a current officeholder, but she was well known (well over 50% had heard of her), as were her views and reputation, Angle-versus-the-world and all that.  

    (And also, she was even better known among the Republican electorate, where losing a primary in the most Republican district of only three in the state creates a helluva lot of name recognition.)


    [ Parent ]
    This
    is why I call the Club for Growth the "Club for Democratic Growth." They really hit and miss with their endorsements, backing the most unelectable candidate in Swing/Democratic seats. Republicans would of held that house seat in New York if the tea party and Club for Growth didn't vaporize Scozoffavaa in their quest to purify the party. Someone tell them that a liberal/moderate Republican will vote with you more often than a Democrat would ever.

    19, Male, Independent, CA-12

    [ Parent ]
    I don't think Heller would run against Reid.
    From what I've heard, Reid and Heller are buddies.

    Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
    So little time, so much to know!


    [ Parent ]

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