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WV-Sen: Manchin Run is "Highly Likely"

by: Crisitunity

Fri Jul 09, 2010 at 1:44 PM EDT


There's been a lot of movement in the last 24 hours in West Virginia. To start with, yesterday afternoon, Democratic AG Darrell McGraw announced that Gov. Joe Manchin has the authority to call for a special election to be held this year.

"Since a general election is already scheduled for Tuesday, Nov. 2, 2010, it is suggested that a special primary election be held at a time which maximizes the opportunity for all potential candidates to prepare for both the special election and the general election, and for all voters, including those in the Armed Services, to participate and have their voices heard," McGraw wrote, according to the Charleston Daily Mail.

There's been some confusion as to what exact format the election would take, and for now, it sounds like no one is quite sure. McGraw's statement makes it sound like there should be a primary election held when convenient prior to Nov. 2, but that's not made entirely clear. The Fix's Aaron Blake says that the Manchin camp would like to have only one election, though, and have a special open primary that coincides with the general election where all candidates run in one pool (shades of HI-01). The superficial rationale, of course, would be saving money on not running two elections. But it could also help Manchin out a lot, if he's the only Dem candidate and the Republican vote is split.

And Manchin is sounding like his candidacy is near-definite; he told Ben Smith today that he'll announce his intentions formally on Monday but said that his candidacy is "highly likely" (which is also how he phrased it on MSNBC this morning). He also said that the only questions left at this point are "procedural," like ensuring a smooth transition for the person who takes over as Governor. Manchin's counsel says that there's no clear sense from the law of when or how to hold the election, but that will be resolved in the legislative special session that Manchin will soon call.

Manchin, talking about gubernatorial succession, seems to be acting like his election to the Senate is already a done deal; is he being overconfident? Yesterday Nate Silver foresaw a close race, although that was based on West Virginia's demographics and reddening trend without any poll data.

Since then, Rasmussen leaped into the breach, offering a snap poll as they often do. Rasmussen's numbers -- and I rarely get the chance to say this -- should give Democrats a good deal of confidence. Manchin defeats his strongest possible GOP rival, Rep. Shelly Moore Capito, by a 53-39 margin, while he beats former SoS Betty Ireland 65-26. Most impressively, he has a 77/23 approval rating, which has to make him the most popular Governor in the nation.

Even before Manchin started signaling his clear intent to run today, and before Rasmussen dropped its abandon-all-hope-ye-GOPers poll, there were questions yesterday about who the Republican candidate would be, and whether there was a Plan B if Capito didn't run. (There's also legal uncertainty as to whether Capito could run in both the special and in her already-scheduled election to hold WV-02 at the same time, which would weigh heavily on her decision whether or not to run. And Capito's calculations would have to factor in whether she might have a better shot at Manchin again in the regularly-scheduled 2012 election, when she'd have a longer time to ramp up a campaign and when Obama's top-of-ticket presence might be an anchor on Manchin... and also the possibility of whether Jay Rockefeller might retire in 2014, giving her a good shot at an open seat.)

In the absence of Capito or Ireland, other names that have gotten floated include businessman John Raese, who spent a large amount of his own money en route to losing badly to Robert Byrd in 2006, former state Sen. Steve Harrison, state Sen. Mike Hall, and Bob Adams, the director of something called the League of American Voters and a losing candidate for state Treasurer in 2004.

UPDATE: Someone has slipped Reid Wilson the short list for seatwarmers that Joe Manchin is considering for appointment to the Senate for the next half a year. Some of the names are familiar, but there are a few surprises. The list is: Anne Barth (former Byrd state director, and '08 loser in WV-02 to Capito), Gaston Caperton (the former Gov. and current College Board Pres. who previously said he wasn't interested), Nick Casey (former state party chair, now up for a federal judgeship), Carte Goodwin (Manchin's former general counsel), Larry Puccio (current state party chair and former Manchin CoS), and Bob Wise (9-term ex-Rep. and one-term ex-Gov., who didn't seek re-election after a sex scandal). Bear in mind that whoever the replacement is, that person will be the vote to get unemployment benefits extended, so there's no doubt a sense of urgency behind picking someone.

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Maybe he is confident
Because he has word Capito won't run. Though I imagine he will still have to work for it even without her. Any idea what the CW is on whether she is better suited or has a preference for being an executive since her old man was governor of the state previously?

Manchin vs Capito
At the 538 blog, commenters familiar with WV seemed to think that they wouldn't run against each other.  The most likely outcome was that Manchin becomes Senator now, and Capito replaces him as governor before running for the other Senate seat in 2014.

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Rasmussen
He has Manchin up by 14 with a +54 approval. Doesn't quite add up. I think Capito will avoid the potential humiliation and take a pass on this one.

Makes sense
Federal verus executive. Lots of Republicans and indies who approve of his job performance as governor would be less happy sending a Democrat to the senate, particularly in the current environment.

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and you can always hold a favorable opinion
Of someone and never intend to vote for them.  Bush had 90-something approval ratings post 9/11 but if an election were held that day when his approval rating was that high  I doubt he wouldve broken 60 or 70.

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OTOH, Capito might run in the special
(even if her odds of winning are low) simply to help increase her statewide name recognition for some future contest: maybe for Governor or maybe in 2012 against a (presumably) Senator Manchin.
That's making an assumption she is legally able to run in this upcoming special AND run in her regular House election.

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I don't see how a bad loss helps
If she loses badly in a good year for Republicans, that's all anyone is going to remember about her in 2012.

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But she can't run for reelection, too, so she loses her seat and...
...gives Democrats an opportunity for a pickup.  With such a short timeframe and a Democrat (I don't even know who!) having campaigned all this time, it's not a given a replacement Republican would hold the seat.

I imagine the GOP House leadership does not want Capito running against Manchin, or even if it's someone other than Manchin, and that will be one pressure point against her running.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Yeah she can
Thats what everyones been saying.  

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Really??? I missed that part. She can be on same the ballot twice??? (nm)
nm

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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Most people in the media
Are saying that she probably can. The state GOP chair says he thinks she can, and RNC and NRCC, NRSC lawyers are probably looking into it.  

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Some stuff on the new Governor, assuming Manchin goes to Washington
According to Wikipedia the title of Lt. Governor is mostly on honorific.  The man who would presumably succeed Manchin is President of the West Virginia State Senate Earl Ray Tomblin.  He has a pretty long career in West Virginia politics (elected to the House of Delegates in 1974) but he's still young enough to run for reelection (he's 58).  Of course after such a long time in the legislature he may just enjoy that a lot more.  For now he's probably pretty unknown to most West Virginian's so he'll need to establish himself pretty quickly if he wants to run for a full term.

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



Man, how on earth
is there no clear WV Governor succession rules?

Just recently got back home from a week-long visit in WV.
Nice place to visit (except for that damn heat wave), though I'm not sure I'd want to live there.

BTW, I was somewhat taken by how many even ordinary apolitcal average Joes there were following Byrd's passing and affected by it. After half a century in power, his impact in WV was VAST.


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Update
I imagine it will be Barth, Goodwin or Puccio. Maybe selecting the former would give her a leg up for another run at WV-02 when Capito departs.

Bingo!
Let's see some politicking with this pic

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I'm hoping Barth

People who worked on her campaign against Capito were unbelievably impressed with her.  And she's quite the looker.

Problem was there's a lot of Religious Right in and around Charleston.  


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On Capito and Tomblin
Don't forget that, should Manchin run and win in 2010, the state constitution indicates that a special election would be held for Governor (presumably in 2011?). This means that Tomblin will have very little time to establish himself (if he even wants to), and that Capito is likely to give Manchin a pass and then make a risk-free run for Gov.

27, Democratic, IL-01

Actually, the process for a special gubernatorial election is VERY confusing
http://www.dailymail.com/Opini...

It's not clear when Tomblin could need to call the election- immediately or could he have it coincide with the end of his term?  The nominating process is also confusing to legal experts.  Worth a read.

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



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While I think Manchin would be a lock
Nate believes otherwise, per http://www.fivethirtyeight.com...

I don't know if this is what Nate believes Capito's chances would be:

But against someone like a Shelley Moore Capito, Manchin could have a real race on his hands. Would Capito sacrifice a safe U.S. House seat to run for a Senate seat that she might have only, say, a 35-50 percent chance of winning,

But Nate's statistical models, per http://www.fivethirtyeight.com... suggests that he'd be only a 1 point favorite v. someone like Capito.... and not even a lock against say a rich "some dude".

If we treat Manchin as an incumbent, using an average of his PPP and Blankenship approval ratings, our model shows him as a favorite -- but only by a small margin: just 1 point over a Republican at the next-highest level of experience below Senator/Governor, such as a U.S. Representative or a statewide elected officeholder like an Attorney General. Against someone with fewer credentials, like a state senator, Manchin would be a 6-point favorite, and against an outsider with no experience in elected office, he'd be an 11-point favorite.


I love Nate, but...
I think he's wrong about this one. Fwiw, he wrote this before the Rasmussen poll came out.  

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He's waaaaaay wrong on this one. Sometimes statistics are very limiting......
Nate's world is a world of numbers, and they tell a lot, but in a situation like this one Nate's numbers miss the reality.  Manchin will win in a walk against Capito or whatever other sacrificial lamb the GOP puts up.  Once he announces on Monday, Republicans won't be looking at this as a pickup opportunity.  The RGA will love it because it will become a Governorship they can pursue whenever a special is held, but the NRSC will just shrug.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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That might be his one flaw
Nate takes Presidential toplines too seriously. There is a reason West Virginia has only elected one Republican statewide in the last 10 years, and her by a narrow 52-48 margin over an 89 year old Dem. It's because, beyond abortion, gay marriage, and coal, they are rock-ribbed Democrats and populists.  

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You misidentified the winner and loser in that lone exception!......
The Republican was an 89-year old man, in fact a former Governor from 40 years earlier who ran and won again!  The Democratic loser was the woman.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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What race are you thinking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K... says that he is a Democrat, and his 2004 loss to Republican Betty Ireland was attributed to his age of 90 years.

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And he's still around
as James noted, apparently the secret to longevity is to be a West Virginia Democrat, as political careers seem to last extraordinarily long, Manchin at age 63 is a young un, nice and read for a 26 year career in the Senate. Rahall would be a relatively young too, and capable of running to replace Rockefeller in 2014.

People seem to fail to realize that Capito actually represents the centrist district of the state; not only is it in the central part, but I mean that it is slightly more liberal than Mollohans, and, though Obama did better there than Rahall's, it is slightly more Republican than it. It would be a likely pick up for Democrats when she moves on.

And yes, I was talking about Betty Ireland and Ken Hechler.  


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I hope Rockefeller retires not in 2014

I think would be better if he continues.

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He's "only" 73
so he'd be good for another term or two.

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Thanks, I didn't know about that, I was thinking about the Governor's race in...
...1996, when Cecil Underwood at the age of 75, 40 years after his winning his one previous gubernatorial election, beat Charlotte Pritt.  But that was more than 10 years ago I now realize, outside the timeframe mentioned.  Bob Wise beat Underwood in 2000.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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I would like see not weak placeholders

I would support a shelf-appointment before of the appointment of a weak placeholder.

Caperton maybe. Caperton should not say not to the seat.


Anne Barth likely
due to her connections to Byrd and the fact Democrats would like her to eventually succeed Capito.

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I think the troubles appear when Moore-Capito run, but not for succeed her.

For succeed Capito the best would be the habitual process for find the strongest candidate between all the options in the district.

A candidate what loses previously against Capito would not be the best option in a state like West Virginia when Rockefeller must retire. That would give to Oliverio (if he win this year) higher chance.


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SC - Lt Gov
Democrat Ashley Cooper has $180k on hand and has raised more than 250k since entering the race.  Pretty impressive numbers for a down-ballot race that is just getting underway.  Given the primary expenses paid by the GOPer Ken Ard, Ard probably has a significant COH disadvantage at the moment.    

Safe Dem
Capito knows she has one bullet, and she isn't going to use it against Manchin.  

And even if she ran because it was a freebie she'd get crushed.  


WV
I really hope it's Barth.  Raises her profile, was close to Byrd.  Give it to someone who can run to run against or to replace Moore when she leaves.

29/D/Male/NY-01


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