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SSP Daily Digest: 6/28 (Afternoon Edition)

by: Crisitunity

Mon Jun 28, 2010 at 3:39 PM EDT


CO-Sen: Politico's Dave Catanese has an interesting profile on Ken Buck, who's looking likelier and likelier to wind up as the GOP's nominee in the Colorado Senate race. With a litany of fringy comments on eliminating Social Security, student loans, and the Dept. of Education, and on supporting "birther" legislation, the question is whether he's poised to complete the troika of candidates (along with Rand Paul and Sharron Angle) whose very over-the-topness allows the GOP to pull defeat from the jaws of victory. Buck tells Politico that he "doesn't recall" making some of those statements, and is seeking to walk back some of the most controversial. Not coincidentally, the US Chamber of Commerce just announced today that it's backing Jane Norton in the primary, specifically citing electability and even taking an ad hominem swipe at Buck backer Jim DeMint.

IA-Sen: Roxanne Conlin got the support of EMILY's List last Friday. Conlin has her own money, but to make any headway against Chuck Grassley, she'll need every penny she can round up.

IL-Sen: Alexi Giannoulias has been subpoenaed to testify in Rod Blagojevich's corruption trial (although it's unclear whether he'll actually ever have to take the stand). While there isn't any suggestion that Giannoulias has done anything wrong, any mass-mediated association at all with the toxic Blagojevich isn't good for Giannoulias; if nothing else, it might remove the local media's target off Mark Kirk's back, where it's been squarely located for the last few weeks. The Sun-Times' Lynn Sweet is still keeping the pressure on Kirk, though, at least for now; her latest column excoriates Kirk for his non-disclosure and secretiveness, which has been a constant throughout his campaign even before his house of cards started falling down.

MO-Sen: Even if I were a Republican I can't imagine wanting to be seen in the same place as Karl Rove, but Roy Blunt -- about as transparently power-hungry a member of the GOP Beltway establishment as can be -- has always seemed strangely unconcerned about the optics of what all he does. Rove is hosting two fundraisers today for Blunt in the Show Me State, in St. Charles and Springfield.

SC-Sen: Although it was looking like the Alvin Greene story was starting to go away, with the state Democrats' decision not to challenge his primary victory and the state election board's decision not to investigate, the story may get a few more chapters. The state ethics and disclosure commission and the state's 5th circuit solicitor, instead, will get involved; they're going to look into whether any laws were broken in his financial disclosures, and they may subpoena bank records to find out. At issue, of course, is where Greene came up with the $10K to pay his filing fee; if nothing else, if he had $10K sitting around, he shouldn't have qualified for a public defender because of indigence. Perhaps not coincidentally, it's been announced that Greene is no longer being represented by the 5th circuit's public defender in his upcoming trial on obscenity charges.

WA-Sen: Dino Rossi won't be doing any more get-rich-quick real estate seminars in the midst of his Senate campaign. And here's the weird part... it wasn't because of his own decision, because of the terrible PR that's likely to result. Instead, it was the decision of the seminar's organizers, who called off the last seminar in the series this week. They were worried about how Rossi's presence made them look bad, in terms of politicizing their ostensibly agenda-free program.

FL-Gov: Does some sort of critical mass result when two of the most unlikeable Republicans -- not in terms of policy, just in terms of purely personal characteristics -- get together in one place? Newt Gingrich just endorsed Bill McCollum. Meanwhile, Bud Chiles has been enduring a lot of pressure from Democratic friends and well-wishers to get the heck out of his indie bid and not risk being a spoiler, but he's standing pat for now.

GA-Gov: Here's some bad news for Dems in Georgia: weirdo teabagging millionaire Ray Boyd says he won't follow through on his plans to run a $2 million independent campaign for governor. He was having trouble gathering the requisite signatures, and decided not to throw good money after bad. (Recall that he spent a few days in the GOP primary field before storming out, unwilling to sign the party's "loyalty oath.") With Boyd poised to draw a few percent off the electorate's right flank, his presence would have been a big boost to Roy Barnes in his gubernatorial comeback attempt.

MA-Gov: The Boston Globe, via Univ. of New Hampshire, has a new poll of the Governor's race; while Deval Patrick has a significant lead, the poll seems to be good news for Republican Charlie Baker, and moreover the RGA, as it seems to vindicate their strategy of hitting out first at independent candidate Tim Cahill to try to make it a two-man race. The GOP's ad blitz designed at wiping out Cahill seems to have taken him down a few pegs, as UNH sees the race at 38 Patrick, 31 Baker, 9 for Cahill, and 2 for Green candidate Jill Stein. (The previous UNH poll, from January against the backdrop of the MA-Sen election, was 30 Patrick, 23 Cahill, 19 Baker.) One other intriguing tidbit that's gotten a lot of play today: for now, Scott Brown is the most popular political figure in the state, with a 52/18 approval, suggesting that unseating His Accidency in 2012 won't be the slam dunk that many are predicting.

MD-Gov: It was the last day for Bob Ehrlich's talk radio show on Saturday. Ehrlich will be officially filing to run for Governor before the July 6 deadline. Of course, he's been saying he's a candidate for months now, but has held off on the official filing to keep on the air as long as possible to avoid prohibitions against that sort of illegal in-kind contribution to his campaign.

MI-Gov: Rep. Peter Hoekstra has been seemingly losing a lot of endorsement battles in the last few weeks, but he pocketed a few helpful nods. One is from right-wing kingmaker Jim DeMint, who stumped with Hoekstra on Friday. The other is from the Grand Rapids Area Chamber of Commerce, which gave a split endorsement to local boy Hoekstra and Mike Bouchard. (The statewide Chamber has already endorsed Mike Cox in the GOP primary.) GRACC also endorsed Steve Heacock in the GOP primary in Vern Ehlers' MI-03, and Bill Huizenga in the GOP primary in Hoekstra's MI-02.

AL-02: Rick Barber seems to be reveling in his viral video celebrity, rolling out an even more feverish ad involving his hallucinations about the Founding Fathers and various other liberty-related heroes. Today's ad includes a conversation with Zombie Lincoln, who compares health care reform to slavery.

ID-01: Here's more evidence that the ID-01 Republican primary really was a win-win situation for Democrats. State Rep. Raul Labrador is backing down from his withering critiques of his possible-future-boss John Boehner, upon the realization that he'll need the NRCC's financial help to get to Congress in the first place (seeing as how he currently has $35K to work with). Labrador had previously criticized Boehner by name for helping drive the Republican party into the ditch and letting the Dems take over in 2006.

MS-01: Could Rep. Travis Childers rack up enough right-wing endorsements to save his bacon against Alan Nunnelee this cycle? Fresh off his NRA endorsement last week, now he's gotten the endorsement of the National Right to Life.

Polltopia: Daily Kos's Steve Singiser is putting his freakishly comprehensive personal database of poll data to good use. He finds that there is, indeed, a wide disparity in internal polls released by the two parties compared with the previous few cycles, when Dems released more internals as they seemed to have more good news to report. (This cycle has a 3-to-1 GOP advantage; even in the fairly neutral year of 2004, it was about even between Dems and the GOP.) The caveat, however: most internals were released in a flurry in the last few months before the general elections, and this kind of early flooding-of-the-zone with internals is pretty unprecedented, so it's still hard to interpret what it means.

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Comments on a couple of these races plus VA-10......
CO-Sen:  this is golden that there's this material on Buck.  I hope Bennet learns from Reid and puts it to good use starting soon.  I hope also Romanoff fades away quietly.  His primary challenge is proving only a headache for Dems, rather than an opportunity to nominate a better candidate than Bennet.

MO-Sen:  nobody cares about Karl Rove except for political junkies.  Those fundraisers are a no-lose no-brainer for Blunt.  "Bad optics" require truly controversial public figures who most voters know and dislike, like Gingrich or Palin.  Blunt isn't hurt at all by having Rove help him raise money.

VA-10:  I live here, and Frank Wolf is the safe incumbent.  Still, I gave $250 to Democrat Jeff Barnett and of course will vote for him in November.  The news here is that I got polled on this race recently, a live caller poll where the call center staffer said they were purposely not told who the client was.  But based on the questions, I'm guessing it was the Barnett campaign.  There was an up-front horse race trial heat query, then some positive message-testing questions for both, and after another trial heat query there was the giveaway that it was a poll on behalf of Barnett:  negative message-testing questions on Wolf.  There was no comparable negative message-testing on Barnett.  I'm glad Barnett is running a serious enough campaign to pay for a poll.  Hats off to him for taking on a tremendous challenge.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


Frank Wolf is old and the district will flip when he retires
and no amount of Republican redistricting can save it

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

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I wouldn't be too sure about that
The Democrats got wiped out in VA-10 last year; the only good candidate left is State Sen. Mark Herring, and he's more likely to run for statewide office. Add to that the fact that redistricting is likely to make VA-10 more Republican in exchange for making VA-11 more Democratic.

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VA-11?
Unless the GOP has the trifecta (it might), making VA-11 more Democratic is spectacularly idiotic. It's already a 60-65% district and needs NO help.

30, male, Democratic, CO-01

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It's not a 60-65% district
it's more like a 55-45 Dem district, which isn't safe.

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Correct, Connolly won 55-43 last time, and the year before...
...for reelection to Fairfax County Board Chair, he won 59-38.

Those are consistent performances since Fairfax County dominates the district and is liberal, and Prince William brings down the Democratic lean slightly.

If Connolly wins Fairfax by 10, he'll win reelection.  I suspect he'll get that, it's awful tough for Fimian to hold down that margin in Fairfax.  Fimian is the clearly weaker of the 2 Repubs, Herrity would've been stronger.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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It'll probably be artificially close
because Russ Feingold has never been especially popular. In a neutral year any strong Republican would get 45%, so I reckon that Johnson will probably end up with 47-48%, depending on how strong a campaign Feingold runs. I can't see Feingold losing unless he runs a simply awful campaign, and quite frankly he has too strong a record of running and winning intense, competitive campaigns against strong, well known politicians, both in 1992 and 1998.  

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Gees
Feingold, Boxer, Murray, and Landrieu can never get a break. Out of the 4 only one (Boxer) has ever been able to crack 60% in one of their reelection campaigns. They can never seem to get entrenched, anyone know why?

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Landrieu is just in a very conservative state, and she's not so conservative......
Landrieu is pro-choice and otherwise votes with her party more than a lot of liberals realize.  That's awful tough in Louisiana, and it's gotten only harder.  She benefitted from Bill Clinton outperforming in Louisiana in 1996, and  Republicans running a weak candidate in 2002, in addition to a strong Democratic tailwind plus elevated black turnout in 2008.

Murray has never been seriously threatened, this is really her first time, even if she's not a 60% incumbent.

Boxer has always been controversial and has never had as good a public image as Feinstein.

Feingold did, in fact, coast to a 12-point win in 2004 and before that shot himself in the foot with poor fundraising against Neumann in 1998.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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If PPP has a laughable sample like the Pennsylvania one
then Joe McCarthy might make the race close.

This is a test of PPP's credibility.  If the produce a sample with a Mccain majority here too, they can be as safely ignored as Ras.


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Ignore the facts
First of all, its LIKELY VOTERS. Maybe, just maybe, likely voters this year narrowly voted for McCain. Dem turnout if lower, Republican turnout is higher. I wouldn't question the accuracy of a polling company that is ranked one of the best by Nate Silver and has nailed nearly all of the weekend before election polling in every statewide election they have polled this cycle, like MA-Sen, SC-Gov (R), NJ-Gov, VA-Gov, TX-Gov (R). PPP has been the most reliable polling company this cycle, and just because you don't like the result doesn't mean it can be ignored as unreliable.  

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You're right
We simply can't know whose model of likely voters will be closest to the mark until the actual election returns come in.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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*likely* voters should only be self-defined
Not with a number pulled out of the sky, especially when it postulates an idiotic reality.

There is virtually zero chance that the voters in Penn this fall, who do show up, would vote for Mccain over Obama.  No chance, and there is zilch evidence of it.

It's not a question of not liking the result, and the idea that PP has been "reliable" is ludicrous.  They missed in NY by about a thousand points.

What we have with several pollsters this year is they make extreme assumptions, months out from the election, based not on what the voters tell them, but what they feel will be reality months from now.  I want to see polls, not guesses.

I don't care what the results are if they postulate something ridiculous, regardless of who the numbers favor.

In Pennsylvania, a random sample of voters who voted last time would reflect the approximate numbers that actually occurred.  What they did is choose a sample that did vote for Mccain... not people who say they would vote for Mccain now.  In other words, they made a sample with all the Mccain voters from 2008, but postulate that 20% less Obama voters will show up.

This is not a small point.  They are not postulating that some Obama voters might now choose Mccain, but rather they are just lopping off 20% of the Obama voters while leaving all the mccain voters.


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Yes NY-23 was way off
But they took it in the weekend where Scozzafava dropped out and endorsed Owens. They had already started the poll when she dropped out and had almost finished when she endorsed Owens. So if you want to pick the one poll where the weekend they polled was nuts, as a sign they are unreliable, go ahead. Also, in the PA poll, they had a few % who did not remember. Maybe those gave Obama a slight victory. Their very accurate MA-Sen poll had a sample that voted for Obama 56-37, a swing of 7 points from his 62-36 victory. In PA, they reported an electorate going for McCain by 48-47, a swing of 9 from his 54-44 win. PA is a much less Democratic state than MA with more Republicans, so it is plausible if you go from the MA swing.  

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No, you are missing the point
This is not a "swing".  They postulate a turnout that did in fact vote 48-47... no switches.  Any change is not reflected.

What this means is they are postulating a turnout where the equivalent of every African American who voted for Obama will not vote!  

Zero.

The sample is simply preposterous.  


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Do you have some sort of issue with PPP
They are highly regarded here and in the pollster world. Do you suddenly not trust them after that one PA poll from last week?  

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No general "issue" with them
If their Wisconsin sample is as absurd as their Pennsylvania one, that would obviously call their current methodolgy into question more than one poll would, but I don't see that as important or even interesting.

The point is that Pennsylvania poll was so flawed it should never have been released.  If the Wisconsin poll has a reasonable sample, fine.

But releasing a poll that a 22% across the board turnout decrease for Dems and a relative zero for Republicans is silly.

Put another way, AA turnout in Penn was 13% in 2008 and 2004.  It was 8% in 2006, so postulating a November pool 5% less Dem than 2008 would be reasonable, but 11% less is just fantasy.

Again, if PPP's Wisconsin sample is not so bizarre, fine, but if it follows the same illogic, that will discredit it too.


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This subthread summarizes the discussion
http://www.swingstateproject.c...

AFAIK, user tommypaine still believes that PA turnout in 2010 will equal PA turnout in 2008.  


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I never said that and you know it so stop being a jerk
What is wrong with you?  Can't you even troll cleverly?

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I believe the comments I linked to speak for themselves
If you choose to respond with insults, I cannot stop you.

If you choose to respond with facts and data, we will listen.


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See you in November
For the record, I think that pollsters should always put out polls of registered voters and then also of voters who meet their likely voter screen. But thou really dost protest too much. In Nate Silver's latest pollster ratings, he rates PPP 13th from the top, out of all firms with at least 10 polls since 1998 - not one of the very best, but certainly far from the bottom. And one outlier result in a weird, hard-to-predict special election does not a pollster rating make.

We can and should talk further after the November elections.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Protest too much about what?
I'm not commenting on PPP's history since 1998.  That's silly.  I responded to the absurd claim that PPP's polls will be accurate just because it is a PPP poll.

The point is, this one sample is impossible.  It is so ludicrous it should embarrass PPP.


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Reactions were pretty similar
in summer of 2009 when SUSA (I think) showed a Virginia sample that went to McCain 52-43. We all laughed and said that in reality, Deeds was up.

That was a humbling experience.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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McDonnell
Not McCain ;)  

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No...
McCain.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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Sorry, let me clarify
the poll showed McDonnell up by some amount and the poll's sample went to McCain 52-43. That's why no one believed it because Virginia obviously voted for Obama. That's why I meant McCain, not McDonnell.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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Oh I see
Woops. Thats almost a reversal of the actual result, and the poll turned out being pretty accurate...

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OK, in that case, I get your point
Basically, you're saying they messed up with this one. But still, we don't know for sure whether they did.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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So PPP get just one poll out of many wrong
And they don't get at least the benefit of the doubt with you until evidence proves otherwise? Seems to me you are struggling to grasp the concept of likely voters and a random sample.

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Um, no, I just pointed out the issues with likely voters and random sample
Can't even be bothered to look at the turnout numbers?

This likely voter model postulates the equivalent of losing every single AA voter in the state.  Do you think that is a sensible guess?  And it is a pure guess nontheless.


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National COC vs. DeMint
"Not coincidentally, the US Chamber of Commerce just announced today that it's backing Jane Norton  in the primary, specifically citing electability and even taking an ad hominem swipe at Buck backer Jim DeMint. "

/me grabs the can opener

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


Still taking bets...
if anyone is interested.  Right-winger proclaims this, is willing to bet $100 per person:

I'll take it on the Senate side that no seat held by Republicans today, there will be a Democrat there at the start of the next session. 1:1 there too.

Any takers?  Let me know, and I'll let him know about it.  :-)

But beware, the guy is two-faced enough that he'll probably weasel out of Florida because Crist isn't a Democrat.


There is already enough money going into betting on politics.
We don't need mo' stinkin' derivatives tradin'.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

[ Parent ]
If I'm not wrong we have a quintet of hard teabaggers, not?

S Angle
R Paul
K Buck
P LePage
W Brady

I had to think for a split-second after seeing W. Brady
He's always referred to as Bill.

And I couldn't get this image of Wayne Brady running for Governor out of my head...


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I was thinking the comedian
my favorite from "Whose line is it anyways"

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WV SoS Press Conference on Byrd seat
Trivia question answers.
Oops, heh.  Should've posted these earlier.  It's from last week's trivia questions in the weekly open thread.

1. Charles Goodell (R-NY)

2. Simon Fraser University, Division II

3. Keith Olbermann

4. Pam Ferris

5. Rep. Jack Brooks (D)

6. C. Montgomery Burns

7. "Miami John" Cernuto

8. 1

9. UC Berkeley School of Law

10. Vermont, Republican, 27 times (1856 - 1960); Alabama & Mississippi voted Democratic from 1876 - 1948

11. John Wooden, 134

12.
a-7
b-3
c-8
d-2
e-6
f-1
g-10
h-9
i-4
j-5



Generic ballot
Not sure I trust either of these but interesting nonetheless. First Dem lead in Gallup weekly and smallest GOP lead in Ras for more than a month.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/...


I hope it's a trend
At first glance, I am hesitant to believe this is a trend that will meaningfully help the Dems in November.  I've seen it where the Dems would pick up 2-3 points in a Ras poll, only to lose it (and more) the next few weeks.  With Ras, I sometimes wonder if they like to tease us with encouraging numbers only to release a poll 2 weeks later showing a negative trend against us.

I can't really speak up (or against) Gallup weekly polls.  I don't know enough about them to really have a feeling on their accuracy.

40, male, Democrat, NC-04


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Just throwing it out there
Probably means nothing. Especially since Gallup has bounced back and forth between a either a real tie or a 5/6 point GOP lead then back again these last few weeks. Taking all polling into account it looks to me like a small Dem lead with RV but the Republicans have a small lead with LV.

[ Parent ]
Rasmussen had good polls for us on 3 things today......
They had Obama's job approval shoot up to 49-50.  It was 45-54 just the day before, and it's a 3-day average, so the Sunday sample must've been sensational for Obama.

The generic ballot is slightly improved.

And the health care repeal trend has moved dramatically in our favor over 4 straight weeks.

Rasmussen's toplines are usually junk, but their trendlines can be OK, at least at times.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
PPP polling KY
WA was leading by 50 votes when I went to sleep. KY won by 15. Damn Paultards...

This is how I feel


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Re: GA-Gov
It's probably really bad news about Boyd dropping out.  There would be a runoff if no one gets 50%+1, so Boyd wouldn't have been the spoiler anyways.

Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

Oops.
That should have been: "...probably really not bad news..."

Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

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Barber Ad
I thought his first one was nutty enough, but this one was way over the top. Healthcare may be costing the government and taxpayers ridiculously amounts of money when it comes to effect, but it is not comparable to slavery. Is this guy looking to be the next Glenn Beck when Beck runs with Palin in 2012?

I also saw Dale Peterson, the guy running for Ag. Comm, in the ad. Too bad, I thought his quirky ads were entertaining, but being associated with this Barber guy really doesn't lessen the idea that he is also indulged in crazy ideas. Peterson is starting to remind me of a cartoon character, like Yosemite Sam.


He seems to have a basement full of guys dressing up as historical figures
Does he live in a mental institution?

A mental hospital is literally the most likely place those scenes could play out.


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Fun fact about Roxanne Conlin
According to this book, as an Assistant State Attorney General, Conlin was responsible for writing Iowa's state version of the Equal Rights Amendment, which is now law.  Great to see an early feminist leader going up for big office here.

The Crolian Progressive: as great an adventure as ever I heard of...

How many of you look at 538.com?
Nate has his latest Senate Forecast up. It strikes me as a good deal less optimistic about Democrats' chances than the prevailing opinion here. Any comments?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


Not really
Most people think 5-7 GOP gains. Indeed, I think he is too optimistic on Ohio and I had Feingold at leans before the PPP poll.

[ Parent ]
Former WI Congressional candidate passes away
Dr. Marc Trager dropped out of race against  Rep. Steve Kagan just two weeks ago. He passed away today.  

He killed himself
According to this article: http://www.fox11online.com/dpp...

[ Parent ]
yikes...
wonder if he was suffering from depression or something. Mental health is often very misunderstood and it would be terrible if his death could have been prevented.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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