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SSP Daily Digest: 6/24 (Afternoon Edition)

by: Crisitunity

Thu Jun 24, 2010 at 2:59 PM EDT


AZ-Sen (pdf): Magellan is out with a poll of the Republican Senate primary, and finds (everybody say it with me now... 3... 2... 1...) good news! for John McCain! McCain leads J.D. Hayworth 52-29. The sample was taken on Tuesday, post-reveal of Hayworth's Matthew Lesko-style free-money shilling.

CO-Sen: Americans for Job Security, the mysterious conservative group who poured a lot of money into anti-Bill Halter ads in the Arkansas primary, have surfaced again, and this time they're actually pro- somebody. They're up with ads in Colorado pushing Weld Co. Ken Buck, who's poised to knock off NRSC-touted Jane Norton in the GOP Senate primary.

FL-Sen: An important-sounding behind-the-scenes Democrat has gotten on board the Charlie Crist campaign. Jeff Lieser, who was the finance director for Alex Sink's successful 2006 CFO campaign, is going to be heading up Crist's "Democratic fundraising efforts."

MO-Sen: Barack Obama will be doing a fundraiser with Robin Carnahan in Kansas City on July 8. Carnahan hid under a pile of coats when Obama was in Missouri last winter, so it's good to see her changing her tune.

AL-Gov: Robert Bentley, the state legislator who surprised many by squeaking into the GOP gubernatorial runoff, is picking up a key Tim James backer. Ex-Rep. Sonny Callahan, who represented AL-01 for decades, switched his backing to Bentley yesterday.

AZ-Gov: The NRA really does seem to love its incumbents, as they've often been accused. The NRA weighed in to the GOP gubernatorial primary, endorsing appointed incumbent Jan Brewer. The only reason that's a surprise is because her biggest rival is self-funding businessman Owen Buz Mills, who also happens to be on the NRA's board of directors and who owns a shooting range.

IA-Gov: Terry Branstad went with a relative unknown for his running mate, state Sen. Kim Reynolds, rather than one of the parade of recent losers whose names had been floated (Jeff Lamberti, Jim Gibbons, Rod Roberts). Perhaps most significantly, he didn't pick GOP primary runner-up and social conservative extraordinaire Bob Vander Plaats, so now all eyes are on BVP to see whether he follows through with vague threats to run an independent candidacy. (While socially conservative personally, Reynolds isn't known for running with the social conservative crowd.)

MI-Gov: Virg Bernero is pretty universally considered the "labor" candidate in the Dem primary in the Michigan governor's race, but rival Andy Dillon just got the backing of a big-time union: the statewide Teamsters. Bernero has the backing of the AFL-CIO (which, significantly for Michigan, includes the UAW); while they aren't hitting the airwaves on Bernero's behalf (at least not yet), they are gearing up for a large ground campaign.

OR-Gov, OR-Sen: It looks like the Oregon gubernatorial race is going to be a close one (like New Mexico, this is shaping up to be a situation where what seemed like an easy race is turning into a battle because the outgoing Dem incumbent's unpopularity is rubbing off on the expected successor). Local pollsters Davis, Hibbitts, and Midghall, on behalf of the Portland Tribune, find the race a dead heat, at a 41-41 tie between John Kitzhaber and Chris Dudley (with 6 going to minor party candidates). Tim Hibbitts is the go-to pollster in Oregon; the upside, I suppose, is that it's good for Dems to realize now they're going to need to fight this one hard, rather than realizing it in October after months of complacency. While the Gov. numbers here are closely in line with Rasmussen, the Senate numbers certainly aren't: they find Ron Wyden leading Jim Huffman by a much more comfortable margin of 50-32.

TX-Gov: Bill White got a big endorsement from Bill Clinton (although there's no word yet if Clinton will stump in Texas on White's behalf, which would be huge). Former Houston mayor White was also a Dept. of Energy official in the Clinton administration.

LA-02: You might recall some sketchily-sourced information from a few days ago that a couple Democrats were considering launching independent bids in the 2nd, where a high-profile spoiler may be the only hope for another term for GOP freshman Rep. Joe Cao. Well, it seems like there's some truth to the story, inasmuch as the person most likely to be affected by that, state Rep. Cedric Richmond (the likeliest Dem nominee here), is calling attention to the situation now. He's accusing Republicans of a "South Carolina-style political ploy by convincing black candidates to run as independents."

MI-07: Although ex-Rep. Tim Walberg has the social conservative cred by the bushelful, he didn't get an endorsement from Catholic Families for America. They instead backed his GOP primary rival, Brian Rooney. The Rooney backing makes sense, though, when you recall that Rooney is an attorney for the Thomas More Law Center, the Michigan-based nonprofit that's a frequent filer of amicus briefs and bills itself as "Christianity's answer to the ACLU." The Center was founded by Domino's Pizza baron Tom Monaghan, whose other attempts to mix ultra-conservative Catholicism and the law have included Ave Maria School of Law.

WATN?: I had absolutely no idea that retiring Rep. Henry Brown was actually interested in demoting himself instead of leaving the political game altogether, but it turns out that, rather than take up golf or shuffleboard like a normal 74-year-old, he decided to run for the Board of Supervisors in Berkeley County (in Charleston's suburbs). Here's where it gets really pathetic... he didn't even win that race. He got 44% of the vote on Tuesday in the GOP runoff (although in his sort-of defense, he was running against an incumbent).

History: Here's a very interesting article from Larry Sabato's henchman Rhodes Cook, on why 2010 won't be 1994. His gradation of "blue," "purple," and "red" districts is a little reductive, but it's a nice look at how Democrats have somewhat less exposure in general this year. And if you're looking for some amusing trivia, Univ. of Minnesota's Smart Politics has a captivating look at which states have the most (South Carolina) and the fewest (Alaska by #, Idaho by %) governors who were born in-state.

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From what I'm reading
I've gotten the impression that Andy Dillon is an anti-union DINO, but I haven't heard the same rhetoric from my union friends.

Anyone can shed some light on this?


I imagine that in Michigan
an "anti-union" Democrat is a Democrat who sides with the unions only 98% of the time.

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That's what I guessed
because people on these blogs are quick to label all Dems they don't like DINO.  

But I would like to hear from some Democrats in Michigan.


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Dillon and the unions
Dillon has been a big advocate of shifting the state and local employee benefit packages into one statewide program.  The unions, especially the MEA and SEIU, have been very opposed to such a move because it would arguably take away their power.  He was the architect of last year's budget that did not raise taxes, but he was the architect of the previous two budgets with tax increases.


23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

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Dillon and the unions
The teachers I talked to weren't worried about the union losing power; they were worried about losing their health care plan.

(1) During local negotiations, they often sacrificed wages to keep a very good (and admittedly expensive) Health Care plan.  Swapping that for a generic plan (without getting the wages back) sounded like a bad deal.  
(2) The legislature was looking spectacularly incompetent.  So even if costs and services were initially the same (they wouldn't have been), no one could imagine the state running it well.

That second concern is probably the biggest reason that Undecided is so far ahead in the Democratic primary.  Dillon's performance as speaker is such that even people who prefer his policies and think he could be elected aren't sure he could be effective.  (Bernero has his own negatives, but supposedly his biggest problem is that no one knows who he is. Since I do live in the Lansing area, I can't judge that.)


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Dillon an anti-union DINO?
Dillon has had some union support -- mostly based on either his support for a new coal plant (since shelved as not economically viable) or on his not being Bernero.  (Some of Bernero's actions as Mayor a few years back angered some local unions.)

Dillon is seen as the more anti-union candidate because he has positioned himself that way; some of his proposals didn't seem likely to even save money -- but they would allow him to claim (in the general election) that he had stood up to the unions.  (Most of the proposals that wouldn't even save money went nowhere in the end.)


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I'm not saying he is
It is just the impression I'm getting from the blogs.  But I've never heard of this sentiment from the unions about Dillon.  (OTOH I heard the grumbling about Blanche Lincoln many months ago.)

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Some cold water on that Rhodes Cook article......
Cook makes the case why we're not as bad off, but I did some math using some of the data he relied upon, and it ain't a good outcome using my simple model.

Cook's column included a table that showed what percentage of "blue," "purple," and "red" Dem-held seats the Democrats lost in 1994.  The color-coding was based on which party's presidential nominee won each district in 1988 and 1992; a split decision made the district "purple," while, as you might guess, a Dukakis/Clinton district was blue and a Bush/Bush district was red.

That same table included numbers on how many "blue" (Kerry/Obama), "purple" (split), and "red" (Bush/McCain) districts Democrats now hold.

Well, I "finished the thought" if you will, and applied the 1994 percentages of seats lost in each of the three categories to our 2010 numbers for each category.

And what I came up with was a gross loss of 45 seats, compared to 56 in 1994.  Keep in mind we picked up 4 GOP-held seats in 1994 for a net loss of 52.  If we pick up this fall the Cao and Djou seats, and the open seats in Delaware and IL-10, that's 4 pickups and leaves us losing a net of 41 this November.  That gives Republicans the House.

So yeah, we're better off than in 1994, but Republicans can underperform 1994 by 13 seats and still take the chamber.

I note that Sabato recently cited Alan Abramowitz's model that now predicts the GOP to take exactly the 39 seats they need to take the House, and Sabato's own model predicts a 32-seat shift.

So we're on balance right on the edge.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


Thanks for doing the research into this...
I don't quite believe will be as badly off as any of this suggests, but I admit there are some not very good signs out there.

The one other difference between the Republican party in 1994 and 2010 is the party is more unpopular now than it was back then. That, I hope, will be the savig grace.  


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Several other differences between 1994 and 2010
Before the 1994 elections, the Dems had controlled the House for 40 years.  Most of the voting electorate didn't know what to expect with a Republican-controlled House.  In 2010, it has been only 4 years since the GOP had controlled the house.  Mind you, the average voter has a short memory.  

Another big difference, IMHO, is the leadership within the House.  Boehner is definitely no Newt Gingrich.  While I pretty much dislike Gingrich on about all issues, he was an intelligent man who was able to bring leadership for a small period of time to the GOP members in the House.

In 1994, if I remember correctly, we lost 21 open seats to the GOP.  At the last time I counted, we had a total of 17 open seats to defend (13 or so which I deem vulnerable).  I could see us losing 10 or 11 of these seats come November.

Right now, I see us losing somewhere in the neighborhood of 25-30 seats, and maybe as many as 40 if the economy starts to tail off in the next several months.  


40, male, Democrat, NC-04


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The difference in open seats is a big help, and distinct from nature of districts held......
I would have loved to see have seen a chart by Rhodes Cook detailing how many red, purple, and blue seats that we lost in 1994 were defeated incumbents, as opposed to open seats.  That would tell us a lot.

Having fewer open seats makes a big difference.  There are some districts this year where it makes no difference at all, but there are plenty where an open seat would be lost for sure while an incumbent would win.

In at least one case, we may have improved electability by Oliverio beating Mollohan in the primary.  I don't think Republicans are happy about that outcome.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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This might help you...
http://www.swingstateproject.c...

Crisitunity did an incredible job with a 3 part series regarding the 1994 mid-terms.  This data includes the PVI index for the house districts.  For example, 10 of the 22 open seats lost by the Dems had a PVI rating between R+5 and R+20.  In addition, we only lost 3 seats (all incumbents) with a PVI rating of D+5 or better (Brooks TX-09, Rostenkowski IL-05, and Hamburg CA-01).    

40, male, Democrat, NC-04


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McCain's Resurgence Not Shocking
I'm not surprised McCain is kicking arse once again and returning to safe polling territory. Unlike the GOP primaries in Kentucky and Nevada, there really is no strong populist support for the Tea Party candidate as there was for Rand Paul and Sharron Angle.

Let's face it, the Tea Party face there is a relative unknown who's not really gaining traction. As for J.D. Hayworth, he's nothing but a scumbag trying to hook himself on the Tea Party bandwagon, and judging from this poll it's obviously not working.

As for McCain, he's changed his positions so many times it's hard to figure out what he stands for anymore. I'm a small c conservative, but if I had a choice I'd probably vote for Glassman. As a municipal politician, at least he's had to worry about finances and making sure Tuscon doesn't spend too much money.


OR-Gov
Here's what worries me. Voters are saying about Kitzhaber - We know you. We like you. We're not voting for you.

I'm going to be a bit Tekzilla here: a lot of people bring up Castle, Gerlach, and Kirk, but there was also Leach, Shays, and Morrella.


UT-Sen
 this is probably a pipe dream ,but does anyone think democrats in Utah senate can get anywhere by hammering Lee over social security (he wants to eliminate it)?

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Nope
UT-Sen is a lost cause.  

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It would take
A live boy and a dead girl at the same time....and even then....

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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Christians are quick forgivers
oh he repented and God forgives them!  Who cares about being a meth head who loves him some prostitutes like Ted Haggard.

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There was a path to.. well.. having a shot here
But that path involved a lot of things that haven't panned out, things like Bennett refusing to go out quietly (something like a write-in bid) or Bridgewater and Lee going nuclear on each other. For Granato to win here he'd either have to have something split the Republican vote, or he'd have to win a significant chunk of that vote himself. Neither is likely to happen anymore.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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Shays won in 2006 against all odds before losing in 2008, and Morella was a special case...
...where state Democrats redrew the lines after the 2000 census specifically to make it a safe Democratic seat where even Morella couldn't win.  And Morella lost in 2002, a strong Republican year, not a Democratic year.

Leach lost in a wave, no doubt.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Texas
What am I missing here? A Democratic politician endorsed another Democratic politician. And of course the endorser lost Texas twice. So how is this endorsement "big"?  

Yeah, I kind of wondered about this too...
There are places (such as Arkansas and Tennessee, both of which Clinton won) where his endorsement would be a big deal. Texas, not so much.  

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Was wondering that, too
I like Bubba as much as anybody, but it's not like he was gonna endorse Rick "the Secessionist" Perry.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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Money money money, money.......
Bubba can rake in the dough like no other. He will help White get much more needed money. White has already done an impressive job fundraising and I think Clinton's help will help him do an even better job.    

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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1 more thing
Whatever Hispanics that did not get activated by Arizona's immigration law, get activated by the Clintons. There is not a leader of the Hispanic population in South Texas, but they do love them some Clinton, in a way similar to how Clinton is loved by union folk in Pennsylvania. Bill is not to be used for tv ads or rallies in Houston. He IS to be used in sweeps through Laredo, McAllen, Brownsville, El Paso, and San Antonio and the Fort Worth stockyards where the voter rolls could be fattened up A LOT.

Money and the national donor base is another big thing. Thing of NY limo liberal. "Democrat running in Texas? Stands no chance! What? Bill Clinton endorsed him and is spending effort on his behalf? Hmm, maybe he's got a shot, here's an investment for now, I'll be watching."

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


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MI-07 Rooney's true motives
Rooney threw his hat into the ring saying he had been 'recruited' to move into the 7th district to run . . .but nobody has been willing to own up to being the recruiter.... but with Tom Moonghan's ultra orthodox version of Catholicism and now this endorsement, perhaps we have an idea now.

The Rooney family has strong interests in Pennsylvania, New York and Florida-and appear to be trying to build a political dynasty as well: from Uncle Art, the Ambassador to Ireland, to brother Tom, the FL rep to brother Pat Jr who's running for FL state office, this family intends to apparently replace the Kennedy dynasty that has pretty much died out.

Rooney and his siblings own a chain of restaurants in Florida and a brewery. Dad owns a dog track and gambling interest in FL, his uncle runs horse racing and a casino in Yonkers, New York. Rooney hasnt been forthcoming about any of these connections . . .and someone is apparently buying a great deal of access to get all of these diverse groups to endorse him . .groups that have NO knowledge of the 7th district!

The out-of-state money is very likely family money (the race tracks and casinos, the Steelers and the cousins who own the Giants). With this kind of family connections, are we really supposed to believe that Rooney is just pining to represent the many farmers and small businessmen in the 7th-which includes a great deal of rural southern Michigan? Or is it more a matter of finding a gullible district to help him get his foot in the door of national politics and give special interests access to Congress? Inquiring minds want to know . . .


Carpetbagging
When will Swing State Project do a brief about Brian Rooney having no clue on how much hes worth?  Or the fact that he has filed fraudulent finance disclosure documents?  

Perhaps Rooney should make his income tax statements public.  He would only be doing what every other candidate has done so far in this race.  At least those candidates are transparent.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article...

Candidate explains that his assets aren't etched in steel
Brian Rooney , a Republican running in south-central Michigan's 7th Congressional District and whose family owns the Pittsburgh Steelers, appears to be worth more than $50 million, according to his financial disclosure form.
If that were so and he were elected in the fall, he would beat Rep. Fred Upton , R-St. Joseph, as the wealthiest member of the Michigan delegation. Upton, a grandson of a Whirlpool co-founder, has assets valued at between $6.6 million and $27.3 million. That ranks him as the 21st richest member of the House.
When Political Insider asked Rooney about his listed assets in OFK Development, a financial management firm, he laughed and said, "Oh, no ... I wish."
Turns out, Rooney said, that's the value of the entire asset, while his portion is worth about $500,000. He said he'll be filing an amended statement.


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Sockpuppet alert!
This is just too blatant

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I wouldn't lump Art in with the other two
Art's a very thoughtful and fairly non-partisan political figure, and did a lot to support public works and public investment in Pittsburgh (which paid off for him when Heinz Field was approved for building).

The younger two Rooney's, Brian and Tom, and both far more conservative, though Tom doesn't seem as far out there as Brian.

I hope neither of them stand to come near the reins of my beloved Steelers...

24, SSP Gay Caucus Policy Committee Chair, Western Democrat; CO-05 (home), CA-14 (law school)


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Sockpuppet alert!
Hmmm...

Only two comments, both slamming Rooney...

I'd say this guy is either a Schauer or a Walberg plant.


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Not a Sockpuppet when the statements are true
Hey, feel free to respond to the statements. It is not a sock-puppet if the statements are factual.

As to who I support, I support any Republican as long as it is not the bought and paid for carpetbagger Rooney. Carlson or Walberg would be fine... although I am not actively supporting either of them. Rooney is just bad news and I hope voters in the 7th are smart enough to see through the con job.  


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I'd ignore this user
who has simply pumped talking points of his own quite often, calling them "fact based" when in reality they are far from it.

See below:

http://www.swingstateproject.c...

http://www.swingstateproject.c...

http://www.swingstateproject.c...


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More smoke and mirrors from Rooney supporters
Not me, first time I am here. But at least you bought and paid for Rooney supporters are consistent... to a person, when confronted with the ugly truth, you avoid addressing the issues, and try to divert things.


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Rooney supporters?
I don't know if you're familiar with Swing State Project, most of us are Democrats (plus other people who like discussing on the horse-race aspects of politics). To call us Rooney supporters is laugable - speaking for myself, I want Mark Schauer to win re-election (I can't vote for him being out of state).

I find it very odd that you jumped to a conclusion so quickly, that's all.  


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Proves my point
Well, to call me a Walberg supporter was also laughable.

Speaking for myself, I don't want Rooney elected. I'm not sure I'd go as far as wishing Schauer elected, but I certainly would be looking at the Independents at that point.


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Everyone
just ignore it. The best way to get rid of a troll is not feeding it.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Not you dude
I was referring to the guy who claimed you were a sockpuppet was a troll, and suggested that you ignore him.

I'm a Democrat and would be a Schauer supporter.  Hopefully Schauer will have your support if/when Rooney is nominated.


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Do you know what a sock puppet is?
It has nothing to do with factual or not. A sock puppet is someone who creates multiple accounts to support/hurt a candidate. They can do it with facts or lies.  

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Just me
I guess I'm not a socketpuppet as I just created one account to get the truth out on Rooney.


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This site isn't about "getting the truth out" on one politician
That's candidate advocacy. This site is about process - how campaigns and elections are being run and turning out.

If you want to expose a politician, you would do much better to put out press releases, write letters to the Editor, set up your own blog and post to it, or post to a site like Daily Kos.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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It certainlly seems disrespectful of the moderators
of this site, just after they put out this diary: http://www.swingstateproject.c...

Full disclosure, please.  


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Funny
because I've been wondering the same about you.

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I'll make no bones about the fact that I support Rooney
...and Bouchard, and Schuette and Ruth Johnson and Jason Allen (or Dan Benishek, don't really care in that one) and Paul Welday. I'm a Michigan Republican and no mistake. The difference is that I'm not in any way connected to any of their campaigns. If I support someone in my posts, it's because I believe in them as a candidate.

These users' posts read like something out of a Walberg press release though.


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Walberg and Obama...
I used to live close to MI-7.  Fascinating area to say the least, but more bizarre was that roughly 5000 people voted for Obama and Walberg at the same time.  I really do not understand that one.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

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Pulling out of MI
McCain publically pulling out of Michigan in the last weeks of the campaign really annoyed a lot of people.  I suspect those 5000 people will all revert to the next R Pres candidate but were punishing McCain for snubbing them.

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NC-Sen
So are we ignoring today's Rasmussen poll with a statistical tie between Burr and Marshall?

We know the pattern...
...next week Scotty will have her down by 12.

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Someone finally bothers to poll VT-Sen...
Granted, it's Rasmussen. Leahy up 64%-29% over Britton.

http://www.rasmussenreports.co...

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"relative unknown" = understatement
A few weeks ago, if I'd heard the name Kim Reynolds, I wouldn't have recognized it as someone in the Iowa Senate Republican caucus (and I thought I knew of pretty much all the Iowa legislators).

Today I ran into someone who spends a lot of time at the state capitol every year during the legislative session, and she also said she'd never heard of Kim Reynolds. We're talking very low-profile back-bencher. She doesn't have the stature to drive the agenda in a Branstad administration and won't steal the spotlight during the campaign.


oops--hit post too early
I think Branstad picking Reynolds is a sign that the business wing of the Iowa GOP is in charge, with social conservatives relegated to the role of sitting there quietly. A different part of the business wing was pushing Jeff Lamberti or Jim Gibbons for lt. gov.

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Good
I am always for the social cons taking a back seat, sitting there and shutting up.  That is the only way we are going to have two strong parties that are politically competitive in this country.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

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Governor White?
Wow, just wow. I think this will put White over the edge. I did not know Perry would go this low.

http://politicalwire.com/archi...

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  


My view is that
this is pretty irrelevant.  This is politics, and people do this kind of stuff, and I don't really see anything that unusual about it.  The Dems are free to bankroll a new Tea Party is they wish.

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But
if White can run as an outsider this will be an excellent point that Perry is "business as usual". People hate the thought of backroom deals and such and this could be an excellent reason that Perry has been around too long. If White is smart he will use this to his advantage.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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I agree with NewMex9999
It's too convoluted to make an issue out of, and the only ones who will even care about it in the first place are those who will be supporting Perry anyways (and I guarantee you, they'll have no problem with this scenario) or those who already oppose him (ie, they already don't like him, so what's another reason to not like him).

Politics and Other Random Topics

24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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Sigh......
I suppose I just got excited over nothing. Well while it might not hurt him a lot it can't help Perry any, that is one positive.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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A tv ad would work
Say that Perry is trying to buy the election through shady back room deals.  

Just gotta make the complicated simple and bad sounding.


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Couldn't hurt


Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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It could if it came at the expense of other TV ads
on topics more relevant to voters. I agree with the statements above, this thing smacks of inside baseball and will go over most voter's heads compared to issues like jobs, cuts in services, ect.  

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Non-issue
This is not simple enough for the electorate to understand.  Good examples of simple scandals that people understand:

Don Sherwood - Beats up his mistress
Blago - Tapes of him offering up a Senate seat
Spitzer - Member of the Emperors VIP Club

Things not simple enough for people to understand:
Petition signature problems
Filing errors for campaign finance

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


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True
Sadly what you say is the truth. Most of the electorate are just not that in tune to the issues. I mean how did two thirds South Carolina's Democrats vote for Alvin freaking Greene? Pure stupidity, I think they did not know who was running but voted anyways and voted for the first name on the ballot. I will not lie occasionally there will be a local race I have not paid attention to, so I just do not vote on it. Sadly voters are usually grossly misinformed so this very well could be a non issue. Although like Andrew points out below it could make a nice attack add.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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As
sleazy as it is, its perfectly legal. Just as meddling in GOP primaries to get a unelectable candidate is as well.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Maybe someday this wont be allowed
How on earth can someone from AZ be allowed to spend all sorts of hundreds of thousands of dollars and gift signatures to a political party in another state?  So much reform needed, so few options.

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So people shouldn't be allowed to
spend money to try to support third parties in others states? I understand that this is a clear case of malicious intent but why should it be illegal for, as an example, someone from New York to donate money to the Vermont Progressive Party? I think any ban on this runs into some major First Amendment problems.  

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Actually it isn't
The lawsuit it get them kicked off classifies the signatures as an "in-kind contribution" which is illegal. This is a former Perry staffer who will get the burn from this, not Perry or the Texas Republican Party.

Likely a nice fine.

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


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