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PA-12: Critz Splits Two Polls with Burns; SSP Changes Rating to Tossup

by: Crisitunity

Tue Apr 20, 2010 at 1:31 PM EDT


PPP (4/17-18, likely voters, no trendlines):

Mark Critz (D): 41
Tim Burns (R): 44
Undecided: 15
(MoE: ±2.8%)

There's a battle going on in the special election in the 12th, and that's a battle between the district's natural Democratic tendencies and its very high disapproval of Barack Obama. The sample is 55% Democratic, but at the same time, Obama clocks in with a 33/57 approval, and approval of HCR is an alarming 28/59 (so maybe not surprising Critz is running ads saying he'd have voted against it).

If you're wondering what's up with that disparity, it mostly has to do with demographics. This is a historically Democratic district where Pittsburgh's collar counties start to fade into the hills of Appalachia, a seat of traditional union strength among coal miners and steelworkers... but it's also one of the most elderly districts in the nation (with the second highest percentage of seniors of any district outside Florida). Seniors have been the group most resistant to Obama (if Tea Party demographics are any indication), and in this district hard-hit by lost industry, there's probably a lot more listening to Fox News than the voices at the union hall these days. Much has been made of how this was the only district in the nation to go from voting for Kerry in 2004 to McCain in 2008; it should also be pointed out that this was one of Hillary Clinton's strongest congressional districts anywhere in the primary, with most of the counties in the 12th going for her by at least 70%.

That leaves Critz and Burns, both of whom are very blank slate-ish (people feel positively about both: Burns' favorables are 45/26 and Critz's favorables are 41/34). Critz may yet benefit from his connections to John Murtha -- despite this district's seeming turn to the right, Murtha is still held in high esteem in the district (55/33 posthumous approval rating, and by a 49/37 margin, voters want their next Rep. to "carry on" Murtha's legacy). With a motivation gap in the Republicans' favor (the PPP likely electorate went for McCain by 7%, instead of his 1% margin in 2008), Critz's best hope is to tie himself to Murtha, rather than the national party, in order to motivate Democratic base voters to get out.

McLaughlin (R) (4/15, likely voters, no trendlines):

Mark Critz (D): 40
Tim Burns (R): 39
Undecided: 21
(MoE: ±5.6%)

Ordinarily, I'd trust PPP (and a MoE of 2.8%) over a Republican internal poll (and a MoE of 5.6%), and I guess I still have to, despite the GOP internal presenting a rosier scenario. The McLaughlin poll (on behalf of conservative group American Action Network, rather than the Burns campaign) points to the same underlying problem holding down Critz: they find Obama with a 31/68 approval rating.

Taking these two polls into consideration, SSP is moving its rating of this race to "Tossup" from "Lean Democrat".

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what was the previous rating?
lean dem?

PS You have the numbers switched - it's burns with 44 and critz with 41.


Yeah, I, too, want to know......I would've said TOSSUP right from the start......
Given that this already was known to be an aging and incrasingly conservative district, and its fame/infamy as America's only Kerry/McCain seat, I would have said TOSSUP right away.  Using Stu Rothenberg's hair-splitting, a rating of "tossup/tilt GOP" would even have been OK.

So I'm very curious what our SSP gurus rated this seat at the outset!

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
It was
Lean D. (You can trace the ratings changes backwards by clicking on "Previous Ratings" at the bottom of the House Ratings page.

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Thanks, found it. Everyone please disregard my comment...
...further below that this wasn't previously rated, since I'm obviously wrong.

And frankly I'm surprised it was ever "lean D" for the special, as I noted elsewhere I would've said "tossup" right from the start.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Might I make a suggestion
Echoing the comment above mine asking what the previous rating was, I suggest saying "upgrading rating" or "downgrading" rating instead of "changing rating."  It's a little clearer that way.  

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Don't both of these polls have Critz winning?
Where's the split?  Typo in one of the poll results?

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

yeah
the PPP poll was a typo, it's Burns ahead 44-41

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...and further, SSP never rated this race before today!......
I just searched every blog entry with a PA-12 tag, and nothing included a SSP rating of PA-12 special.

Murtha's last reelection was downgraded from "safe" to "likely Dem" after a few scary polls came out, but proving how hard it is to poll House races, those polls ALL proved to be bunk, as Murtha coasted 58-42--a smaller margin than normal, for sure, but 3 or 4 separate polls in the fall had him up 5, up 3, and DOWN 13(!) against Bill Russell.  

I think the 2 newest polls we have for this special look reasonable enough, and tossup makes perfect sense, but somehow I won't be surprised by either extreme if we lose by 12 or win by 12.  Specials are just hard to predict, and holding it on the same day as primaries makes it even funkier.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


Sen and Gov primaries
Only reason I think Critz might hold this. On any other Tuesday I think Burns takes it. MSM claiming Dems should win because of the registration disparity but thats like saying Kentucky is a blue state because the majority self identify Dem. I think the key factor is that it was the only Kerry-McCain district in the country.

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Agreed
The district is long-Blue mostly because Murtha was an entrenched incumbent for 35 years. Now he's gone, Burns is on tv in that part of the state about every 5 minutes, and the Democrats chose a nominee that no one has heard of. The only possible way I can see Democrats holding this seat is if the 2 statewide primaries drum up enough Democratic voters there to save Critz.  

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This district is zooming away from Dems
If PPP is to be believed, it now has the political leanings of Kentucky. And to think, the Republicans packed it with Democrats in 2001.  

Long term, yes
I agree with your assessment that this district is drifting away from the Democrats.  I'm hoping that this district will be more like WV in the fact that WV will vote for Democrats on a local and state level.  A socially conservative but populist leaning Democrat in the mold of Murtha can win this district, but in the current environment, it might be an uphill battle.

40, male, Democrat, NC-04

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I wonder whether a place like you describe
ever really exists for long. It seems to me like places that vote for Republican for president and Democratic locally always eventually end up voting Republican locally (or vice versa, of course). It just seems to come a decade or two later.

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Are there districts that just believe in divided government?
I don't know if it applies here, but perhaps there are districts where such a split is sustainable.

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Yes
Speaking on behalf of NC alone, many rural and suburban areas will split their ticket depending on the type of race.  Many consider sending a Democrat to Raleigh and a Republican to DC as the best alternative.  They realize that Republicans in Raleigh will cut spending on transportation and education a lot easier than a Democrat.  On the flip side, many prefer sending Republicans to DC based on social issues.  I believe that's why many Blue Dogs within the South prosper:  they don't have the social liberal stigma placed on their heads and, at the same time, can vote as an economic populist.

40, male, Democrat, NC-04

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They do
I'll give you an example:  NC-7.  This area is a socially conservative area, and as a result will vote for Republicans in the general election and for Democrats in local and statewide elections.  Contrary to belief, these areas, while conservative, have trust issues regarding the GOP.  They don't trust that the GOP will provide their areas with economic growth, so that's a big reason why Democrats have been somewhat successful in places like this.  However, on a Presidential standpoint, they prefer a Republican because of National Defense issues.

In NC alone, you will see this happen in areas like NC-2, NC-8, and NC-11.  These areas are conservative by nature, but are not always willing to support local and statewide Republican candidates.

40, male, Democrat, NC-04


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yep

Though Democrats in western Pennsylvania largely were/are the blue collar white ethnic kind that has been slipping away from the national Party since the early 90s or so.   It's being demographically replaced inside the Party by the coalition described by Ruy and Texeira.

The evolutionary arc seems to be conservative D -> typical R -> moderate D (-> liberal D or -> moderate Republican).  


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PA-12 is the reverse of NY-23
It's on borrowed time. The Dems might be able to hold it (in its current form) for about 5 more years.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

thing is it will not exist after next cycle
if the district barely gained any people or decreased in population and the surrounding districts did as well it will probably just be merged together with them.  

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