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WI-Sen: Feingold Still Beats Thompson, Says PPP

by: Crisitunity

Tue Mar 23, 2010 at 12:44 PM EDT


PPP (pdf) (3/20-21, Wisconsin registered voters, 11/20-22 in parentheses):

Russ Feingold (D-inc): 47 (50)
Tommy Thompson (R): 44 (41)
Undecided: 9 (9)

Russ Feingold (D-inc): 48 (48)
Terrence Wall (R): 34 (34)
Undecided: 18 (19)

Russ Feingold (D-inc): 48 (47)
Dave Westlake (R): 31 (32)
Undecided: 21 (21)
(MoE: ±3.7%)

PPP's second look at the Wisconsin Senate race offers some pushback against the WPRI and Rasmussen polls, which have tended to show ex-Gov. Tommy Thompson with a narrow lead over Sen. Russ Feingold (and may be done with an eye toward recruiting Thompson, who's maintained interest but also seemed very reluctant, into the race). Still, the November lead that PPP showed was large enough that it suggested "why bother" to Thompson, while this one is a decidedly closer race.

Feingold has a narrowly divided approval rating, at 45/41. Still, that's an improvement over Thompson, with favorables in negative territory at 40/44. (The other minor GOPers in the race, Terrence Wall and Dave Westlake, are virtual unknowns at 4/17 and 2/8.) With Thompson widely-known and not so widely liked, even if he does get in, his path to victory would have to be hoping the GOP base shows up and the Dem base doesn't. (UPDATE: Here's a nice little tidbit I missed. "Washington lobbyists" have a favorable of 1/77. (Looks like a pollster finally found someone or something with a lower favorable than Paris Hilton.) Guess what the Feingold campaign's line of attack against Thompson is going to be?)

UPDATE (James): There's been some confusion in the comments over whether PPP is using a registered or likely voter screen. Their wording ("700 Wisconsin voters") doesn't suggest an LV model is used, but we asked PPP's Tom Jensen to clarify the situation. The answer is that the model really isn't either, though it falls a bit closer on the "likely voter" end of the spectrum:

We call people who voted in at least one of the last three general elections.  We don't explicitly ask them at this point in the game if they plan to vote in the fall.  I imagine 97% of the people who answer the polls will vote this fall but since we're not explicitly screening yet we don't call them likely voters.

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One problem...
This seems to be a poll of registered voters. Since at this point, I think the turnout is going to be skewed towared Republicans, this probably lines up with the Rasmussen poll pretty well.  

This is an issue with the PA-Sen polls too,
if I'm not mistaken.

It's so hard to predict likely voters in March, but we know registered voters is not the best sample either.


[ Parent ]
Agreed
The PPP voter model is...
Independent - 35%
Democrat - 34%
Republican - 31%

I suspect the electorate will look more like...
Republican - 40%
Democrat - 36%
Independent - 24%

Plug in PPP's internals, splitting undecideds 50/50...
Feingold - 13/91/48 = 47%
Thompson - 87/9/52 = 53%

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[ Parent ]
Pollster says it is LV
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/...

Again, I think you are being far too pessimistic on turnout.

2008 was  39 D, 33 R, 29 I so I'd say maybe something like 36, 36, 28.  


[ Parent ]
It's not clear...
whether it's registered voters or likely voters, from looking at the poll itself.

It may not matter - I agree with all who say LV screens are suspect this far from an election.  


[ Parent ]
It's LV-ish
But not really a true screen. Check out the update on the original post for clarification.

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"Frequent Voters" perhaps?
Definitely in between RV and LV. Actually, I think its a decent compromise for more than six months out.

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What are you basing your estimates on?
On a general note, it's in Feingold's nature to crank out a nailbiter in the end. We can't ignore this race, but I'm not so worried about it.

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[ Parent ]
FWIW
Mine are based off of the change in New Jersey. I think it can be argued things have got worse since then but personally I think the situation will get better by this November.

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But that's what they should be doing this far out anyways
Predicting who a "likely" voter is this far out from the election is extremely hit and miss. Hell, that's been one of the problems with Rasmussen polls this far out, they assume something that they have no business predicting right now.

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Plus I'd add
That PPP is probably underestimating turnout among 18-29 (they have it at 9%, in 2006 it was at 17%).

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Likely voters is a screwball idea 7 months out
even predicting turnout percentages is pretty silly.  Save that for the fall.  A likely voter today is not necessarily a likely voter in November.

PPP seems to have the right idea.


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Polling aside
I can't think a Thompson campaign will be any more energetic or successful than that of Dan Coats.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

Probably needs to be noted...
We have no idea how successful Dan Coates will be at this point. Last polls show him handily beating Brad Ellsworth. (I don't neccesarily expect that to stick, FWIW)

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That's true
I should've had 'as successful as Dan Coats has been thus far'. :p

Thompson goes into this, and not only will the DSCC hit him, he'll be going up against an incumbent who pulls no punches (Feingold's already been attacking Thompson, actually), and isn't going to bail out like Bayh did.  

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[ Parent ]
Coats
won't even make it threw the primary. There hasn't been any primary numbers, but honestly once we start seeing some of him losing badly to Congressman Crazy I think he may drop out. I hate how everyone writes Indiana off. The latest polling showed the race close, and we have a great candidate while the republicans have a guy that was last elected to something in 1992 and a Congressman who got beat by 20 points in 2006. Both will be easy enough targets, don't write Indiana off just yet.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
No
Coats only led Ellsworth by one point in the last poll. I don't think that qualifies as beating him handily.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Ughh
My bad, just saw Scotty's poll. Still it's a Rasmussen, and it's the fairly known Coats verses a basically generic dem. Once the campaign gets going I would expect the race to narrow.  

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Yeah, don't get me wrong...
I'd still bet against Coates. I just wanted to correct the idea that the race is over in favor of the Dem right now. Coates is a bad candidate, but if the environment is bad for Dems overall it may not make a difference.  

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Yes
Tossup with a GOP tilt.

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Since we have at the polls registration
and always finish at the top for participation by the youngest eligibles, registered voter,  likely voter, and past voter screens will miss out. You've got to poll 17 1/2 year olds to get a true picture of the Wisconsin November electorate.


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