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MI-Gov: Dillon Gets In, GOPers Still Lead

by: Crisitunity

Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 1:58 PM EST


EPIC-MRA for Detroit Free Press, WXYZ-TV, WOOD-TV, WJRT-TV, and WILX-TV (2/22-25, likely voters, 1/24-25 in parens):

Andy Dillon (D): 17 (6)
Dan Kildee (D): 12 (5)
Virg Bernero (D): 8 (5)
Alma Wheeler Smith (D): 7 (2)
Someone else: 12 (31)
Undecided: 45 (51)

Peter Hoekstra (R): 27 (22)
Mike Cox (R): 21 (26)
Rick Snyder (R): 12 (3)
Mike Bouchard (R): 10 (13)
Tom George (R): 1 (3)
Someone else: 3 (0)
Undecided: 26 (32)
(MoE: ±4.9%)

Andy Dillon (D): 37 (32)
Peter Hoekstra (R): 41 (40)
Undecided: 21 (28)

Andy Dillon (D): 36 (30)
Mike Cox (R): 43 (47)
Undecided: 21 (23)

Dan Kildee (D): 37
Peter Hoekstra (R): 41
Undecided: 22

Dan Kildee (D): 37
Mike Cox (R): 46
Undecided: 17
(MoE: ±4%)

With the official entry into the race by Democratic state House speaker Andy Dillon, it's starting to look like the Michigan gubernatorial race is coming back into focus again. You'll recall that it got completely scrambled over the last few months, with Lt. Gov. John Cherry's unexpected departure from the race and then the somewhat surprising decision by Denise Ilitch not to seek the nomination. The newest poll from EPIC-MRA shows Dillon leading the way in the Democratic primary, although only with 17% of the vote. Dillon has an advantage in being the only centrist (socially conservative and business-friendly) Dem in the field, while former Genesee County treasurer Dan Kildee, Lansing mayor Virg Bernero, and state Rep. Alma Wheeler Smith divide up the more liberal votes. If there's some winnowing of the field on the left, it seems like one labor-backed candidate could pull ahead of Dillon.

Despite their ideological differences, Dillon and Kildee poll pretty similarly against Republican Rep. Peter Hoekstra and AG Mike Cox. Head-to-heads were tested only for the top two candidates from each party. While these numbers still find the Democrats losing (although only by 4 against the right-wing Hoekstra, whose appeal to moderates seems limited), these are better numbers than Cherry -- linked inextricably with the unpopular Jennifer Granholm administration -- was putting up, as he was often down by double digits. On the GOP side, though, it seems like Hoekstra and Cox might want to be watching over their shoulders for wealthy businessman Rick Snyder, whose "one tough nerd" ads (which included a Super Bowl spot) have succeeded in buying him a lot of name rec and vaulting him into contention. The surge by the moderate Snyder seems to come partly at Cox's expense, which allows Hoekstra to push into the lead among the GOPers.

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What's the deal on rick snyder?
saw this ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

and I must admit it's catchy.  

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.


Catchy
It might be in other states, but "I'm smarter than you" doesn't sell well in Blue Collar Michigan.

I'm volunteering for Bernero, by the way.  I think if Bernero can raise the money necessary to establish himself as the anti-Dillon, he'll have a very real chance in the primary.


[ Parent ]
Yeah
I get what he's going for, but it totally rubbed me the wrong way. "I was reading Fortune since I was 8 years old!"

No one likes that guy.


[ Parent ]
I agree
I don't like the "you simpletons won't understand my ideas" strategy.  

I hope one person emerges as the anti-Dillon candidate.  I don't want the other 3 candidates to spread the vote too thin and allow Dillon to win the nomination.  I'm leaning toward Dan Kildee right now but I would be ok with Bernero too.      


[ Parent ]
Is Dillion
unpopular or less electable than the other candidates in the GE?  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I think he would be less electable
He's a DINO (anti-choice, anti stem-cell research) who has been completely incompetent as Speaker of the House.  There would be little difference between him and who ever becomes the Republican nominee.  I think Republican Rick Snyder would actually be a more progressive option.

The Dems need to nominate someone who will offer a clear alternative to the Republicans.  I believe the base will stay home if Dillon is the nominee.  I won't vote for him.  I'm hoping that former US Congressman Joe Schwarz runs an independent so that I have a backup option in case Dillon is the Democratic nominee.


[ Parent ]
Dunno why there's so much anti-Dillon sentiment among commenters
I think Dillon is just what the doctor ordered for this competitive climate.

Virg Bernero is an untested commodity, and I would like to see how he fares in the debates, sans talking-points and the like.

Kildee is a generic Dem in my eyes and doesn't capture the passion needed to excite the Detroit vote, which has typically supplied the cushion to carry Dems over the top in tight races...


[ Parent ]
What makes Dillon a great candidate?
He's basically a Republican running as a Democrat.  He has no accomplishments in the House to run on, other than 2 government shutdowns.  He doesn't make decisions.  Last year, the governor released her budget proposal and Bishop had the Senate proposal.  Dillon decided to not even propose a budget and just sided with the Republican budget.  

I saw an interview Kildee did for a Grand Rapids TV station and saw some videos from a Democratic forum (which Wheeler Smith and Bernero also attended).  He was very well-spoken, personable, and I liked what he said.

I don't think Dillon would excite anybody, in Detroit or other parts of the state.  


[ Parent ]
Dillon
Would be a disaster. He has been a bad Speaker of the House - not ineffective, but bad. Labor hates his guts. Environmentalists hate his guts. Women's groups hate his guts. African Americans are at best lukewarm on him.

The fact is that Andy Dillon has alienated every key part of the Michigan Democratic party. His rise to Speaker was a fluke in a more conservative caucus.

Would I support him over a Republican? Even as a Yellow Dog Democrat, I'm at this point undecided.

Andy Dillon is not what Michigan or the Michigan Democratic Party needs. Peg me down as a Bernero supporter.  


[ Parent ]
Except it helped his numbers!
Except his numbers jumped up 4 fold in a single month from that ad! The facts prove it worked and worked well considering that he went from polling in the error to being in the Republican race. That is amazing especially this far out from the election when nobody is paying attention. Those numbers will jump more the closer to the election we get (and the more he advertises).

The economist line is dumb but the general idea that Michigan needs a smart business leader might work. It worked for me. I think most people in Michigan want a business leader and they want someone who's smart and they want someone who isn't a politician. That criteria knocks out all the other Republicans (not smart), Dillion, Bernero, and Kildee (not a politician/ no business resume).

I'm not saying Snyder is perfect, see the pro-life "stance", but I think he's the only non-conservative who can win.


[ Parent ]
I'll go out on a limb..
and say if Hoekstra gets the nomination, I think Dems keep the office.  

Looks that way to me


[ Parent ]
Synder
Unless a lot of Dems vote for Synder in the primary, which I'm planning on doing. He's the most liberal of the people with a chance of winning (5% or more) and I'd vote for him over Dillon in a second.

[ Parent ]
I think the Dems have a good chance...
of winning regardless of who is the Republican nominee.  Cox, who is known to most people, isn't doing much better in the polls.  Dan Kildee is unrecognized by 72% of voters, while Dillon is unrecognized by 66%.  Cox has been in a state-wide position for 8 years and he's leading unknown candidates by only 9%(Kildee) and 7% (Dillon).  

[ Parent ]
Not bad numbers
The dems are much less known than the republicans and they still are not that bad off.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

Joe Schwarz
says he will announce if he is running as an independent in the next few days, but says he's leaning towards it.  

very good news

I glad see democratic candidates more competitives.

Governor is an important office

but Democrats winning the Michigan state Senate majority might be worth as much, or more.


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