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IN-Sen: d'Ippolito Says She Has the Signatures, INDP Says Otherwise (Updated)

by: James L.

Tue Feb 16, 2010 at 12:12 PM EST


News that will make you sweat:

Restaurant owner Tamyra d'Ippolito (D) has enough signatures to make the ballot in the race to replace Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN), she told Hotline OnCall in a brief interview.

Reached at her home, d'Ippolito said she was on her way out the door to drop off more signatures at the county clerk's office. D'Ippolito's backers have until noon to submit 4,500 signatures, including 500 from each of the state's 9 districts, to the appropriate county clerks.

"To my knowledge, yes we do. There's people putting in signatures as we speak," d'Ippolito said when asked if she has the signatures necessary to qualify for the ballot. "The answer is yes." [...]

GOPers, sensing an opportunity, have mobilized in some places to help d'Ippolito make the ballot. In a posting on her campaign website, d'Ippolito says she needs more signatures in the 8th CD, specifically in Terre Haute and Evansville.

Smart play by the GOP here -- if they manage to get d'Ippolito on the ballot, they may move this race all the way over to Safe R. That is, unless the Democrats can manage to run a Charlie Wilson-style write-in campaign to get a more viable contender through the primary. In any event, it's sounding increasingly likely that Brad Ellsworth is the guy that Democrats want on the ballot:

Meanwhile, Dems are increasingly looking to Rep. Brad Ellsworth (D) as the candidate they want on the ballot to replace Bayh. House strategists are quietly beginning to prepare for his Senate bid, which means they will have to find another candidate to run in the competitive 8th district.

UPDATE: The Indiana Democratic Party says that d'Ippolito is off her nut:

In an interview with TPMDC, Indiana Democratic Party Chairman Dan Parker strongly denied that cafe owner Tamyra d'Ippolito has obtained the necessary ballot-petition signatures to appear on the ballot in the Dem primary for Senate -- disputing d'Ippolito's earlier claim to have to have obtained the 500 required in each of the state's nine House districts.

"I am monitoring the situation with our boards of voter registration and our county clerks' offices. Those are the places where petitions have to be submitted for certification," said Parker. "They have to be certified in the counties and then brought to the Secretary of State's office by Friday. As of this moment, other than Evan Bayh, there's one candidate, who is a Democratic candidate [d'Ippolito], who has 22 signatures statewide."

LATER UPDATE: Reid says that d'Ippolito has missed the ballot:

An official in Marion Co. (IN) tells Hotline OnCall d'Ippolito turned in just 3 signatures in the 7th CD, the district with the highest percentage of Dem voters. The noon deadline has passed, meaning d'Ippolito failed to meet the requirements to get on the ballot. She would have been required to submit 4,500 signatures, including at least 500 from each of the state's 9 districts.
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Predictable
I guess the alternative option is to run a write-in campaign in the primary (if that's legal).
Sweat yes, panic no
Let's see how many signatures she really has.  Anyone involved with one of these things knows  you typically need to collect about twice the required number, because so many get thrown out or challenged.  Regardless, there is no way that she's our candidate on the ballot in November.
Indeed, but consider how it will look
if you try to kick her off the primary ballot so the party machinery can choose a replacement. That kind of things happens all the time, but it will be well-covered in this instance.
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AND
in this environment, being labeled as the party candidate and not the people's candidate is definitely not a good thing.
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Evan Bayh sucks.
At the very least, he could have not screwed over his party by giving a credible candidate the heads-up before he announced that he wouldn't be running again.  What an ass.

26, white male, TX-24, liberal-leaning independent
Yes he is
He's been stabbing Democrats in the back for years.
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I am not
a Bayh fan, but this could have actually helped us more than help us. By announcing this at a late notice it could have prevented Pence, Rotika, Skillman or even Daniels from running. The dream scenario would have Bayh run, and sail through reelection, but still as long as we get Ellsworth or Hill we will be able to win.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Typo
but this could have actually helped us more than hurt us.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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I agree...
And I'd add that I'm mystified by all the pundits (I'm looking at you, Charlie Cook) that are moving this over to lean Republican. At best for the Republicans, it's a tossup. The Repub candidates are very weak.  
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And it's not like they could just switch out Coats for someone else
I have no idea what Pence was thinking when he thought he could get in on a day's notice.  Hostettler and Stutzman, but especially Hostettler, aren't going to step aside for anyone.

Unless maybe they promised Hostettler a chance at Ellsworth's open seat...

The Crolian Progressive: as great an adventure as ever I heard of...

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In theory...
The GOP could do what the Dems will more than likely do if d'Ippolito gets the necessary signatures. They could run a write-in campaign for a strong name like Daniels or perhaps Pence (politicians are known to flip flop on running, see Sen. Udall in NM)...and I think theyd have a reasonable shot at winning the primary if both Coats and Hostettler are still in and thus split the vote. But if either drops out and its one of them vs. the write-in candidate then I think Coats/Hostettler wins. Two more problems, for the GOP, with this scenerio: Daniels has already said he wont run for public office again and Pence seemingly has no interest in being a Senator right now. And a competitive 3-way primary makes it much more feasible for the extreme and lousy campaigner Hostettler to win. He would lose to someone like Ellsworth (who already clobbered him in a GOP district) even in a 94 like wave.
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Um, three?
Wow.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09
Heh, yeah.
The sad part is that in IN-07 you might be able to knock on the door of one house and find more than three registered Democrats.

26, white male, TX-24, liberal-leaning independent
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She's off her nut
She was giving contradictory stories to Talking Points Memo and Greg Sargent about whether she had all the signatures, and she clearly was divorced from reality about how many signatures she actually had. The very definition of a gadfly candidate.
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College town coffeehouse owner does about sum it up!

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No kidding
I'd bet I could get 50 Democratic signatures in an hour downtown on Monument Circle to run for President or dog catcher or some such high office, and she could only get THREE?
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Write-in could work
If it worked for Wilson in OH-6, it can work statewide in Indiana where there will be a lot more publicity.  The problem would come if someone like Ellsworth doesn't want to chance it.
We need some more Democratic Retirements
Obama failed and the Dem. Caucus failed also.

Senators like Bayh & Dorgan doing the absolute right thing - RETIRE.

Obama needs to move to the Center - NOW otherwise Game Over for Democrats.

I think
he indicated that he was during the State of the Union. His approval has been moving up ever since that and that republican smack down thing. I think we will be alright. Although I don't see how retirements help.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Before we all jump all over you on this . . .
Could you define what the "Centrist" take on health care, energy, and finances are? Cause from what I'm seeing he's gone too far right on energy with the nuke and coal plants and the lefty take on Health care included single-payer which now no longer even includes a medicare buy-in option.

So please, elaborate on what these centrist policies are we need to be exploring, I know the congress critters up for re-election would greatly appreciate it.

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26

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Single payer was never going to happen
The votes weren't there and that's it. I don't have a problem with him on HCR as for energy as a voter from a coal producing state i'm fine with his position on coal and nuclear energy. Personally I like him to be a little more to the left but right now his views and positions is fine with me, there no need for him to become more centrist, that's something a third way group would say. Plus I agree with the poster above regarding the President after the State of the Union.

But before we get out of hand this really isn't the place to talk about the President, this is all about IN-SEN not PRES-'12. Let's keep it that way and stay on topic NOT off topic.  

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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So what you're saying
is that moving to the center is the right thing to do right now.

Try telling that to Blanche Lincoln or Harry Reid, both of whom will lose in November because they don't have the spine to stand for anything their base wants to see.

Dems moving to the center and trying to be Republicans is WHY Congress is broken in the first place. Dems need to deliver on the agenda they were elected to deliver on - fixing the mess that Bush made - before they start owning it themselves. Obama is doing that now.

Putting up more competitive open seats is exactly what Democrats DON'T need right now.

And for the record, Dorgan quit because the White House wouldn't listen to his input on the healthcare bill in the name of the very centrist deal they cut with the drug companies.

Going back to the corporatist, GOP-lite policies of Clinton is not the answer. Standing up and being proud of who we are instead of running from our own shadows is. Delivering on campaign promises instead of the media's lame demands for "bipartisanship" is. Actually having a spine is.

Quitting now would be quitting forever. This country can't afford to have Republicans in control again after the last mess they made.  

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Oh come on
Dorgan probably retired because Hoeven was planning on getting in, I may like the guy but bullshit is bullshit no matter who is running.

Blanche Lincoln is going to lose because she's proven herself to be an inept politician in a state where the national Democratic party has collapsed.

As for Reid, his problem is that he's the partisan face of the increasingly unpopular Democratic Party in a state that has pretty much collapsed because of the bad economy.

I don't think the Democrats should move to the center, and I certainly think they could do better to get a spine on health care reform (pass the fucking senate bill and then worry about getting it through reconciliation) but to pretend that Lincoln and Reid are suffering because of not being left-wing enough, or to pretend that Dorgan retired for reasons that had nothing to do with facing the (very real) prospects of losing to a popular governor is to divorce ones self from reality.

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!

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I agree on Dorgan
They all knew Hoeven was running and he knew he was going to get crushed and that's why he decided not to run again, he got the heads up. And agreed on HCR and not moving to the center and the stuff you said at the end.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Baloney
Smells like a concern troll.  Assuming you're on the level, the problem was not "moving to the [Evan Bayh] middle," but a lack of boldness and consistency.  The people were, and still are, ready for bold leadership.  But Obama has been too much of a milquetoast.
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I think the President has been fine
Just because he's not a hardcore liberal like you are dosen't make him "milquetoast" the President so far has been fine. But you are right, the guy does seem like a concern troll maybe even a GOPer in disgiuse. But seriously, none of this had to do with the thread.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Christ almighty.
Incorporating the same failed policies of the people who fucked up the country to begin with is the last thing we need.  

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Agreed
The idiot is probally a GOPer from RedState disguising himself as a concern troll. Awhile back Kos in his column he writes for the Hill wrote about Dems should take advice from the GOP, this can be incoprorated with that.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Good afternoon
What color is the sky on your planet?

Thanks,
people who have actually been paying attention

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Um yeah, what? No. Just no.
How much further right can Obama possibly get on health care (public option? what public option?), gay rights (dude--frickin' Cheney is to Obama's left on DADT & gay marriage), financial policy (read: Tim Geithner & Larry Summers), the wars (which even the neocons like Obama on now) or even energy (hello nuclear!)...seriously?

Clinton's triangulation was different because he was able to get Republicans to actually moderate their positions. With Republicans in thrall to their base crazies, that's just not happening now.

And how can one of the very Senators who wisely saw how the end of Glass-Steagall would devastate the financial system (Dorgan) retiring be a good thing? Especially when we're gonna lose his seat to John "I was a Democrat until it was inconvenient" Hoeven be better? Logic fail.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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Well
Obama said that by the end of the year he wants DADT repealed and gay marriage? What makes you think he get that passed when it's getting rejected by voters everywhere like CA and ME. The public option didn't have the votes after the public turned on it. As for the Wars by the end of next year all the troops are going to be out of Iraq and Afghanistan with most troops out of Iraq by this year.

But seriously what exactly does this have to do with the Indiana Senate race? Absolutely nothing.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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Clarification statement
Obama has never been for gay marriage, period.

But anyway, that's as far as I'll go with any policy debate oriented stuff.

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I knew that Andrew
I just meant if he was for it he wouldn't be able to get it through Congress that's what I meant.

I'll be the same as you,  that's as far as I'll go with any policy debate oriented stuff.  

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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Hooray
Another pointless policy dispute on a post that doesn't have anything to do with policy.

I dream of an SSP where we can all just come together and laugh at candidates' inability to meet candidacy requirements...

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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Another pointless policy dispute on a post that doesn't have anything to do with policy
Or IN-Sen to boot.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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The people who decide elections can hardly differentiate
between Republican and Democratic policy preferences, if they could then they wouldnt be toss-up voters because once you've figured out a parties policy preference, you know where they stand on most issues and there will no longer be a real need to be a swing voter.

So these swing voters care very little about where on the spectrum a policy proposal is (because they dont know on the spectrum where it is) and they focus much more so on voting for a party that seems like they are getting shit done.

How about instead of moderating ourselves, we take one tack and stick with it.  And since the Democratic Party is the liberal party....

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Wow.
"How about instead of moderating ourselves, we take one tack and stick with it.  And since the Democratic Party is the liberal party...."

Looking for a permanent minority? Promoting the Democratic Party as "the liberal party" is a terrible idea and will do nothing but purify a party that has always welcomed coalition building.

Do you honestly think pushing the party as the "liberal alternative" all over the country will have a positive impact? It might in some parts of the country, but I suspect many Democrats would switch parties or simply become independents and stop financially supporting the party or helping to build the party.

I seriously doubt Ellsworth, Hill, Donnelly, etc. would want anything to do with the party. That's three Congressional seats right there. Who cares though when we can have purity.... right?

Yes, the party does have a large liberal wing, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to toss the rest of the party aside.

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I don't think Andrew was saying that
I think what he meant is yes we are the Liberal Party but the moderates and co need to know yes we are a big tent party and we welcome there guest in the party same with the moderates that were Republicans then bolted. I don't think he was being purist in his comment.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Agree.


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Bayh and Dorgan are in the center
Lincoln and Reid aren't progressives either. And the House Dems will be more liberal because quite a few blue dogs/centrists will go down in November.
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Replacing Democrats with Republicans
Will not move the House to the left, even if the only ones who lose are Blue Dogs/Conservadems (which I almost certainly doubt would happen).

There are plenty of fairly progressive Democrats who are in real danger of losing this year (people such as Eric Massa in New York).

I have no idea where anyone gets the ridiculous idea that electing more Republicans will somehow move either House or Senate to the left.

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!

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That wasn't the claim
A House with a Teabagger instead of, say, Frank Kratovil isn't a more liberal body, but it would make for a more liberal Democratic caucus.
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Right
That was what the poster was saying it would be liberal because the people that make the caucus moderate will go down and because of that make the caucus more liberal but like what the other poster said, Blue Dogs aren't just the only Democrats that will be gone.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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The caucus becomes more liberal, so what?
The basic math doesn't change: if progressives don't have enough votes to pass progressive legislation right now and the only thing that changes is that 20 Blue Dogs and 5 moderate/conservative Democratic Senators lose to 25 Republicans, then the math is worse in the House and much worse in the Senate.

Not only that, but the caucus moving to the left in this fashion actually pushes the bodies as wholes to the right, which will mean that the majority party will try to pass things that it simply won't be able to pass, and thus begins the demise of the Democratic Party.

Honestly, it didn't work for the Republicans, why do you think it'll work for us?

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!

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I'm not defending it as strategically sound
(although there's a case to be made in terms of messaging, party loyalty, and particularly resource allocation), I just felt you were either misunderstanding or misstating panhandler's point.
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Can one sue to get on the ballot?
In New York City we've had instances of wealthy candidates who file inadequate signatures getting judges to put them back on the ballot.  Same way we have instances of poorer candidates being tossed perhaps less than fairly.

Of course you still need half a pretense of being adequate.  And not sure even the best lawyer can spin 3 signatures (!!!) to be anything other than an abject failure.

NY-13, Democrat. Blog @ http://infinitefunction.wordpr...

Well
I hope this is the end of her fifteen minutes of fame...

NY-14, DC-AL (college) Distraught Mets fan
This is what Bayh said
"If I could create one job in the private sector by helping to grow a business, that would be one more than Congress has created in the last six months."

What a jerk!

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

Yeah, I've never liked Bayh
And I never really forgave him for his cracks at Obama during the Democratic primaries (for someone who probably owes his entire career in politics to his (far greater) father to call a guy who rose to prominence from a working class family takes a real pair).

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!

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I
remember that he said that Hillary was the more seasoned candidate, and I just thought that a joke because Frank O'bannon was by far the more seasoned candidate during the 1988 democratic primary for Governor. Bayh owes his career to his dad.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Thank you baby Jesus
So it's super-confirmed that she doesn't have the signatures, yes? Running the Orly Taitz of the left, while hilarious, is not really what we need in Indiana this cycle.  

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.
Sen. John Mellencamp?
I
love Mellencamp! I got to talk to him at an IU game, and he is a great guy. Hey Al Franken worked out well :)

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Eh, from a Minnesotan I'll tell you
Franken only worked out beautifully once he was actually sworn in.  Everything up until that point was a shit show.
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Shit show is putting it nicely
Due to the fact Franken was forced into a primary by Pricilla Farris and the possbility of Jesse Ventura running as a Indy and we had to sweat every poll that came out and worry if Dean Barkley was going to take more votes from Franken or Coleman.

And the re-count, don't get me started with that but kudos to SoS Mark Ritchie for being fair in this whole clusterfuck.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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I'm with Andrew on this one...
and I still believe if anyone but Franken had been nominated, the Dem would have won in a landslide (or at least it wouldn't have been as close).
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Really?
I remember the polling at the time, and the numbers were basically the same for all the candidates running. Not only that, but the fund-raising from all candidates not named "Al Franken" was pretty dismal.

The others who were running didn't impress me as being at all strong enough to run a decent campaign against Norm Coleman, and the fact that no top-tier challengers entered the race suggests that no one believed that taking on Coleman would be a piece of cake.

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!

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Franken fundraised well for two reasons
Connections in NYC and LA/San Fran.  Ive seen the fundraising binders of contacts, HUGE advantage there.

Second was that he built his fundraising and volunteer support in MN based off of being inevitable.  He sucked up all the oxygen and Ciresi was the one most negatively affected.  He scared out people like RT Rybak who was sounding a little interested (Im predicting him winning gov.) and maybe even Walz wouldve gone for the promotion.  Rod Grams served one term, 1993-1995, and then Senate 1995-2000.  And Walz was heavily talked up for the gubernatorial this year simply by virtue of being a slam dunk, instant win candidate statewide.  Watch for him to be talked up for every open Senate or Governor seat.  

But anywho, now Im off topic (indicative of Walz being awesome), but yeah, Franken gotten into the race immediately.  We all knew he was going to run for a solid while, and so everyone sat out and waited for the gubernatorial this year.

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Franken fundraised well for two reasons
Connections in NYC and LA/San Fran.  Ive seen the fundraising binders of contacts, HUGE advantage there.

Second was that he built his fundraising and volunteer support in MN based off of being inevitable.  He sucked up all the oxygen and Ciresi was the one most negatively affected.  He scared out people like RT Rybak who was sounding a little interested (Im predicting him winning gov.) and maybe even Walz wouldve gone for the promotion.  Rod Grams served one term, 1993-1995, and then Senate 1995-2000.  And Walz was heavily talked up for the gubernatorial this year simply by virtue of being a slam dunk, instant win candidate statewide.  Watch for him to be talked up for every open Senate or Governor seat.  

But anywho, now Im off topic (indicative of Walz being awesome), but yeah, Franken gotten into the race immediately.  We all knew he was going to run for a solid while, and so everyone sat out and waited for the gubernatorial this year.

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I have a kinda crazy idea
If Hill runs for Senate, then Mellencamp could run a write in campaign for Hill's seat in the primary. He could self finance, and everyone loves Mellancamp and honestly republicans aren't even that thrilled about Sodrel. No one in the district has ever been that thrilled about Hill or Sodrel so Mellencamp could actually do better than Hill. Although he probably doesn't want to do it though.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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It's at least interesting to talk about
Mellencamp still lives in the district, and is from Seymour -- the same small town Baron Hill has lived in all his live, in the heart of the district.  It's not going to happen, but it's a campaign I'd be glad to throw myself into!
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Mellencamp
Maybe he could run for Baron Hill's district since he lives in Bloomington (and born and maybe raised in Seymour which is also in the district). If Hill becomes the nominee for Sen. But for either that or Sen. hed probably have a tough time. Sure hes probably pretty popular but hes also, from what I know of him, pretty liberal. Although he does seem to be quite the populist (as you can tell by his song 'Rain on the Scarecrow') so that could really resonate.
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Read my comment above


Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Heh
I didnt see it before i wrote it. Itd be interesting if he ran but i doubt he has any interest in it whatsoever. He probably loves his musical career too much (especially the touring) which would really have to take a back seat. And he probably, like most people, arent thrilled about the negative aspects of Congress and being a politician.  
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Hey
Sonny Bono did it. I think he would have a cakewalk, because he is from this area and everyone knows who he is. Plus no one really likes Mike Sodrel.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Thank God.
Even if she really did have the signatures in every other CD - which I seriously doubt - she obviously never took the time to make the drive from Bloomington to Indy to collect even a few signatures. The two aren't that far apart, you know. Furthermore, with the way Marion County machine politics works, I'm sure they could find a way to get rid of her signatures if they wanted to.

I'm glad she has no base outside of Bloomington, so trying to Nader the Democratic nominee with a write-in campaign is a non-starter. She should use the publicity to run for an office she can actually attain, like State House or State Senate or City Anything, or maybe Dogcatcher. Frankly, she just isn't Federal officeholder material - and I say that as someone who was seriously tempted to sign her petition a couple of months ago before I read a little further and realized she was in way over her head.  

Could have sworn that I heard that
today was not the sig deadline, but the declaration deadline
Will this have resonance with voters?
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo...

Bayh talked so openly yesterday about this being an advantage for Dems in terms of avoiding a primary.  When I first read this, my first instinct was that this could have resonance - the meme being that Democrats deliberately circumvented the voters to gain an advantage in the general election.

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

I thought that today was just the deadline to file
And that the 500 signatures per CD were due Friday? Apparently she not only turned in only 3 signatures in IN-07, but only 16 signatures in IN-01. I know that the Republicans are trying to help her get the signatures, does anyone know if the signatories have to be registered Democrats?  
Good question
Cause it seems to me ow there talking that you only need 500 signs per CD from anyone but I assume they need to be from your own party.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Never mind
Just read that Indiana doesn't have party registration. If she wasn't so disorganized and the Republicans had more advance notice, she might have actually become the nominee, scary thought...
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It looks to mean, rereading the
quotes, that the signatures had to be in today to the counties for certification, and then to the on Friday.
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Question
Since whats her name didn't get enough signatures. Looks like Brad Ellsworth is going to get in, that bring up my question: His open seat. How hard do you think Van Hollen and Co would press Evansville Mayor Jonathan Winzepel to get into the race? It's obvious at some time we wanted to be a Congressman as he ran for the seat in 1996 when he was a State Rep but narrowly lost to Hostettler.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
It seems unclear
whether Ellsworth or Hill is getting in...or both...

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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For both to get in, one would have
to run as an independant, as the whole point is that the filing deadline has passed, and the party will pick the nominee.
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I wonder if they
would announce it publicly, or if Hill and Ellsworth will just tell the state chair they want it in private, then the chair would pick who he wanted? Or do they have to run and have state delegates elect them?      

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Also
when would they pick the nominee? I know the state convention is in June. It would be really nice to get a nominee now, so they can begin campaigning. Also what happens to Bayh's war chest?      

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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I'm pretty sure Bayh can do as he
pleases with it, including giving it to the party, some to candidates, or sitting on it.
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I bet he
sets on it and uses it for a run for Governor in 2012.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Can he?
What are Indiana's campaign finance laws?  I would guess that he can, as I doubt it's more restrictive that the federal government, but it is a consideration.
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A lot of leeway
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Good. She'd have been a bigger disaster than our IL-Lt.Gov. primary winner.
At least Scott Lee Cohen was competent enough to somehow win a state-wide election.
(Plus obviously, a Senate seat is about a thousand times more valuable than IL-Lt.Gov. though he easily might have dragged Quinn to a loss costing us the Gov.)

Claiming 500 certified signatures when the actual number is 3?? I doubt a delusional person like this could have been easily talked into going away the way that Mr. Cohen did for us.

amazing comments from a TMP thread
Obviously none of these comments' accuracy can be vouched for.
But it's so stupid that Bayh potentially subjected us to this.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo...

I live in Bloomington, Indiana-where this new candidate is from. I can tell you with 100% certainty that this woman will be CRUSHED in a general election. She would have been crushed in a primary even if Bayh had not been a factor. She is an amateur to the 3rd degree and is a bit of a laughing stock around town. She owns an Italian Restaurant that is basically open when she feels like it and the business (surprise, surprise) is going under. I have spoken with her on the phone (trying to learn more about her restaurant when it first opened) and she is a complete flake. Last Christmas eve, I called to ask her if they were going to be open, we had a brief extremely confusing conversation in which she basically said, "Maybe" and then later that day she called my house TWICE to find out why I had called. She's currently being evicted from the building that houses her restaurant for not having paid rent in several months. Businesses fail, which is completely understandable in this economy, but to try to run for public office even while you are fighting an eviction for not paying rent?

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As a local, and one who approached D'Ippolito when she first announced her candidacy, I entirely concur with your assessment. All of her quotes about the party leaders working against her made me literally LOL. When a colleague and I approached her about organizing her campaign (before we knew her idiocy), she immediately accused us of being secret agents from Bayh's office. She then announced she would be willing to pay slightly above minimum wage to hire a campaign manager. The conversation then devolved into talks of her time in Italy, mixed with outbursts about the machine of Indiana democrats keeping her down. Trying to keep the conversation on track, we asked her about what constituency groups she's reached out to. "Why, none. But the gays and students will be on my side, because I'm not Bayh." Her entire 'campaign' thus far has been to assume support without doing actual outreach
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Oh jeez. Long time lurker here-- just had to comment on this. Tamyra is known in the neighborhood for walking her two large dogs that she can't control and letting them crap everywhere (including neighbors' yards and the large neighborhood cemetery) and never deigning to pick it up. People who don't know her by name call her "the dog shit lady" (and these are other dog owners who want to brain her for leaving her mess everywhere). I suspect this may be the reason she has never canvassed the neighborhood or asked for support from any of her neighbors. And I'll eat my shoe if that glamour shot isn't twenty years old. She looks more like the picture on her website.
 
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LOL
So according to one of the comments she is literally not qualified to be dog catcher.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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LOL of the day
Not even qualified for that.  
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Dog catcher?
She's not ever qualfied to clean the shit off the toilets on the IN Toll Road with those views.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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City pooper scooper worker
If the Bloomington city govt has pooper scooper workers for public parks then shes shit out of luck there, too.

And wouldnt it be ironic if someone's dog came in and took a crap in her coffee shop and she got all pissed?  

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It would ironic and very funny
If that was my dog and she yelled at me I scream hypocracy then she yell back i'm a plant for the State Dem Party.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Does anyone know the name of her restaurant?
I would actually like to meet this woman.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Same here...
Aren't you from Bloomington Hoosier? I assume you can grab your phone book and look it up.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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No I live about
2 hours away. But I go there at least once a month, and I think I know where I will eat next time.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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But her restaurant is "basically open when she feels like it"
And if you call in advance to find out if it's open, you get: "Maybe".

So you may or may not go hungry.
That would be an interesting diary if you do visit.

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Wow
That would suck to be one of her workers. Not knowing if youre gonna work until literally that day. At least thats how I read things...that she decides, after she wakes up or something, if its gonna be open that day. And she wonders why its going out of business?  
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LOL
And really...in this day in age...its not even disgusting to pick up dog poop. So she cant use that excuse. Retail stores sell literal pooper scoopers. You dont even have to use your freakin hands (with a towel over it or something). But she cant even get one of those?  
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Wow I...dont even know where to begin
Talk about the Dems dodging a bullet.
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Wow, just Wow
Thank you for posting this, I spit my Dr. Pepper out laughing at this. Bayh almost subjected us to the shit dog lady, hilarious. Probally true though since there's more than one that chimed in on this. Scott Lee Cohen, you can rest assured your not the 2nd most embarassing candidate in history...your not third behind her. I loved this gem though:

When a colleague and I approached her about organizing her campaign (before we knew her idiocy), she immediately accused us of being secret agents from Bayh's office

Is her cousin Cindy Sheehan, because that's the kind of conspiracy shit she said like on her blof she heard she phone make tapping sounds and accused the Dems of tapping her phone.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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There is a bright side to this...
If all the sources were wrong and she did get the signatures highly unlikely, IMO)...then even a bland, but established write-in candidate would beat her in a primary. She just is that beatable. And someone like Ellsworth and Hill would have no problem. Theyd certainly have to still really get the word out but it can certainly be done.  
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So yeah...
I kind of take back the 'Dems dodged a bullet' comment because, quite frankly, shes the type of 'candidate' that would be beaten by an established Dem whos a write-in.  
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I think I know why she's running for senate...
Tamyra is known in the neighborhood for walking her two large dogs that she can't control and letting them crap everywhere

That sounds exactly like the resume of a Harry Reid era Senate Majority Leader!

NY-13, Democrat. Blog @ http://infinitefunction.wordpr...

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So is Evan Bayh one of those dogs?
:)

Politics and Other Random Topics

24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!

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No
I say Ben Nelson and Joe Lierberman, atleast Nelson since his body and face resembles a large husky lol.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Whatever the official SSP designation for the
female equivalent of Some Dude is, Ms. d'Ippolito certainly qualifies.
More like some crazy dude


Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Is the Hill running rumor true?
FDL just published a story on it.

http://firedoglake.com/2010/02...  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

Odd
Since the CW is Ellsworth is prsparing a run and Hill is eyeing on being the next Governor of Indiana.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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If he lost the Senate race
he could still run for Governor, he would have better name recognition, and he is not a sure thing for re-election in the House anyway's, so running is actually a logical thing for him to do.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Only if he knew Bayh was retiring.
There's no future in primarying a well liked sitting Senator and there's no point in running for Senate now if he wants to be Governor.  That's like running to lose.  If there was a normal primary, then I could see it.
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We know he wants
to be a Senator as well as Governor.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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A Senveror.


Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09
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His proper name is
Baron Hill, super-politician!!!  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Ah, ok then.
Regardless, I still think any story of a setting Dem. representative collecting signatures is suspicious unless Bayh was giving them signals.
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Uhh
Firedoglake. I wouldn't trust a story from them. They were trying to sabotage us here by trying to get this nutty lady on the ballot in Indiana. First time I saw Redstate and a liberal blog work together on something political though. Maybe that's some of the bipartisanship Bayh wanted.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12
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WHAT?
I didn't know FDL was behind this as well suprised SSP didn't report this, got a link to the story where Hamsher and her goons were trying to get her on the ballot. Wow and this and other reasons why I hate FDL and OpenLeft.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Here
is the link to the politico story

http://www.politico.com/news/s...

Conservative and liberal activists, with varying motives, also began to rally around D'Ippolito Monday.

The liberal blog Firedoglake offered a friendly write-up and a link to her petitions.

And here's the Firedoglake link:

http://news.firedoglake.com/20...

And yes, Hamsher and Firedoglake are ***holes for trying to do this. I understand your beef with the more conservative wings of the Democratic Party, but your trying to destroy the party electorally and that's not cool.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Thank You
Honestly, this dosen't shock me it really dosen't. Hamsher along with Bowers, Stoller and Sirota could give a flying fig about the party. All they care about is purity and starting shit, espically the braintrust over at OpenLeft. There shitkickers as someone here said.

Plus the problem with people like Jane Hamsher is they know nothing about politics and how elections truely work. But I don't really need to tell that to anyone here.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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Chris Bowers
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Sure for once Bowers is right
But dosen't support her for the wrong reasons. He dosen't support her because of her work on Wall Street, has no support and zero money. Believe me if she was a half decent candidate he be writing a check for her and helping the GOP get signatures for her.

He dosen't want a RW Dem in that seat, too bad he'll get one as Hill, Ellsworth etc are both moderates and if one of them are picked by the party he be bashing them left to right. He wants Jonathan Winzepel to get the nod because he seems the more liberal and dosen't work in DC. He'll get half his wish, he'll be in the House but not the Senate because it looks like Ellsworth could get the nod and the likely choice is for Winzepel to run for his vacant House seat.

He's right, but for the wrong reasons.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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Not fair
I disagree with Chris Bowers and the others fairly regularly, but I really find what they say valuable. That doesn't mean they're right, but it's good to have vocal internal critics to keep the people we elect honest. They're a necessary part of the equation and (for the most part) they're making honest, genuine, and smart critiques. They've got a long way to go before they're as destructive as Grover Norquist is to the GOP... or Jane Hamsher has been lately.

Now, some of the commenters at OpenLeft. My oh my, they're a different story.

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Sure it's good to have critics
And people to write good solutions, but that's not OpenLeft. Bowers and company all they do is bash the Dems for not being purist like they are and basically offer no solutions but criticism and that's not a solution. Bowers and Stoller were the ones going on TV during the transition period stirring the pot when they said most Dems disapprove of Obama's cabinet picks when a viriety of polls showed a different picture. Or when Scott Murphy was running in NY-20 OpenLeft said it would be best to run someone from the Working Families Party because Murphy said he may join the Blue Dogs, that's just simply crazy as far as i'm concerned.. As far as i'm corcerned they are shitkickers that simply just want to stir the pot and don't want to offer solutions to help the government succeed like what Hamsher is doing, atleast you agree with me that she dosen't offer solutions.

Sure we need critics to keep them honest I agree with you on that but Bowers dosen't fit that catgory, that why we got guys like Bill Maher, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow and Markos to name a few.

And yes the commentators on OpenLeft your right that is a completely different story.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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I'm
not saying we should tell people at OpenLeft and Firedoglake to f'off like Rahm Emanuel did. Being a big tent party, we have to accommodate their views, but I'm incensed especially at Firedoglake by trying to sabotage us here in Indiana, releasing polls showing progressive congressman in red to swing districts losing by double digits. I don't know how Tom Perrello can survive in his red district after voting for the Stimulus, Cap and Trade, and Health Care reform, but not every red district Democrat is a Tom Perrello.

There's was a comment on Campaign Diaries that we have to destroy the Democratic party to save it. I don't know, maybe because I focus more on elections and less on ideology that I am not automatically incensed and believe I've been betrayed when Walt Minnick or Bobby Bright vote a certain way that pisses us off, but is necessary if they have a remote chance of being reelected. To those who are touting Charlie Melancon and Jack Conway and think they're going to be like Barbara Boxer, prepare to be disappointed. Melancon is going to be a tool of the oil and gas industry and Conway is going to be a tool of the coal industry.

Jack Conway even praised Lisa Murkowski's effort effort to strip the EPA of the authority to regulate greenhouse gases. Now don't get me wrong, I'm pissed off at Blanche Lincoln's new found conservatism because she didn't hold those positions in the past, its only because she's in a tough reelection she's flip flopped and ironically the more conservative she's made herself, the worst her standing in Arkansas has become. And she rightfully should lose because she thinks by abandoning positions she once cherished she will be reelected, she and Arlen Specter can share a room together. I hate Joe Lieberman because his antics on Health Care were not because he was up for reelection, but because he wanted to piss us all off as revenge for 2006.

I'm sorry I had to write this here, this would be more suited for Daily KOS, but I had to rant here where you would all understand my rationale.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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It should be suited for Kos, yes
But since your rant has to do with elections, your still on-topic. Now if this was a rant about TARP that be another matter.

I understand your rant because I know how you feel. You pissec off at groups like FDL and OpenLeft among others for being shitkickers who would rather kill the party because there not pure enough for their taste than making it strive. As much as they hate it we do that, were no different than the Republicans because that's what there doing. Purge all the moderates leaving the diehard Consevatives and that hasn't gotten them much luck. So sir, I get your rant and agree with it.

As for Perriello, much to our suprised voting for the "Triple Crown". PPP showed a poll last week tied with Robert Hurt after all that in this type of a district and he's tied and not down like 15 points it's amazing.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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WTF?
 I moved to New York City where I lived for the next 20 years. I worked on Wall Street for Salomon Smith Barney and later for Lehman Brothers.
-Tamyra d'Ippolito describing her work experience

How did she go from working on Wall Street to being the dog shit lady?  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

Makes perfect sense.
Have you seen Salomon Brothers and Lehman Brothers lately?  In a just world that is exactly the career progression you'd expect.

NY-13, Democrat. Blog @ http://infinitefunction.wordpr...
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Glad I didn't waste my time
Some local Republicans wanted to go around gathering signatures for her this morning. I was thinking about skipping my morning classes and driving to Bloomfield to get some signatures. Apparently nothing came of that. Thank God I didn't waste my time, lol.

Anyways, Tamyra D'Ippolito has a reputation for being a nutcase here in Bloomington. You all should be very grateful that she's not going to be on the ballot.

Hehe
bullet dodged here. But unfortunately for us, Tamyra D'Ippolito is the least of our troubles in trying to hold this seat.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12
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True
But it certainly helps that she's now out of the picture and can focus on picking a strong candidate like Ellsworth for example.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.
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Brad Ellsworth > the laughingstock of Bloomington
n/t
She did us a favor
if she got the Republicans to waste money getting signatures for her.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12
I doubt they spent a dime
If any GOP money or effort had gone into getting signatures, they would have gotten more than 3 signatures in the 7th District.
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