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FL-Sen/Gov: A Charlie Sandwich as an Indie, but He Leads Gov Primary & General

by: DavidNYC

Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 10:51 PM EST


Fabrizio, McLaughlin & Associates (R) (PDF) for a "private client" (1/27-28, likely voters, no trendlines):

Marco Rubio (R): 44
Charlie Crist (R): 30
Undecided: 25
(MoE: ±5.6%)

Charlie Crist (R): 47
Kendrick Meek (D): 29
Undecided: 24

Charlie Crist (R): 49
Maurice Ferre (D): 27
Undecided: 27

Marco Rubio (R): 42
Kendrick Meek (D): 30
Undecided: 28

Marco Rubio (R): 43
Maurice Ferre (D): 27
Undecided: 29

Kendrick Meek (D): 24
Marco Rubio (R): 31
Charlie Crist (I): 26
Undecided: 19

Maurice Ferre (D): 19
Marco Rubio (R): 32
Charlie Crist (I): 29
Undecided: 20
(MoE: ±3.5%)

Crisitunity teased this poll earlier, but now we have the full memo. The primary numbers can't be seen as terribly surprising at this point, and the "Crist-as-indie" scenario is not too far off R2K's test of this matchup. They had Crist 32, Meek 31, and Rubio 27, while here, Charlie is the man-in-the-middle. One obvious option this pollsters didn't test was Crist running as a Dem. Who knows what axe Fabrizio's mysterious client has to grind, but recall that R2K showed Crist (D) beating Rubio (R) by a healthy 45-34 margin. If you're trying to ease Crist out of the Senate race, those are numbers you probably don't want to flash.

Now, why would I suggest that this incognito polling sugar daddy would want to do something like that? Well, take a look at the rest of the nums FMA published:

Charlie Crist (R): 39
Bill McCollum (R): 31
Paula Dockery (R): 4
Undecided: 25
(MoE: ±5.6%)

Alex Sink (D): 31
Charlie Crist (R): 48
Undecided: 22

Alex Sink (D): 32
Bill McCollum (R): 41
Undecided: 27
(MoE: ±3.5%)

Charlie Crist abandoned a gubernatorial election bid all the way back in May of last year, yet here we have poll numbers testing him in the gubernatorial race! What gives? Well, the polling memo is a bit heavy-handed about its intentions, with statements like: "The only GOP Primary Crist appears to be able to win this year is the Gubernatorial primary where he leads Bill McCollum by several points and performs far better across the board." Hey, that's probably true! But Charlie Crist's advisors can read the numbers as well as anyone, so a line like that has to be for media consumption - i.e., you're hoping that the tradmed will spin this as "Crist should run for a second term as governor."

Maybe good ol' Charlie has ruled it out. But if he doesn't want to leave the GOP, he ought to be thinking about it.

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Those numbers say to me
that there's no way Crist wins the guber nom either.

I still think he'll pull a Specter.  


McCollum is pretty disliked
And has none of the energy, youth and charisma that Rubio brings to the table. I don't know that it would be easy, but I think Crist would beat him. And maybe McCollum would even drop out. After all, he'd be in the position of primarying a sitting governor....

[ Parent ]
It's possible
If I were McCollumn, I'd smell blood. FWIW, that smell should also concern the Dems. It's actually pretty hard to see how to keep Rubio out of the Senate right now.

[ Parent ]
uh..
Charlie Crist (R): 49
Maurice Ferre (D): 27
Undecided: 27

103%?


Probably just caused by rounding nt


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[ Parent ]
Rounding can cause 99% or 101%
but 103%? that IS weird.

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[ Parent ]
If the numbers are like...
46.7, 26.7, and 26.6, then it's possible.

[ Parent ]
Never mind, misread it.


[ Parent ]
I didn't realize the former Mayor of Miami was running
And the similarity between his  numbers and Meek's suggests that neither has advanced beyond "generic D".

I don't see any polling numbers between Meek and Ferre. Curious bit:

http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz...


Here's a draft of his statement Maurice Ferre For U S Senate release -, which shows the 74-year-old Ferre's challenge: reinforcing his decades of political experience while portraying himself as a fresh-faced candidate.

A "fresh-faced" 74-year-old candidate? That's a different approach....


If Crist switches races there is blood in the water...
...and his establishment support evaporates.  He'll lead McCollum in the first poll after he switches back to Governor and then sink like a rock.  Especially since McCollum is in a better position now than Rubio was at the start of the Senate race.

There is no place for Crist in today's Republican Party in a state like Florida.  If the Republicans had the White House maybe they could give him a consolation prize.  Hell, if they had the White House Rubio probably wouldn't even be in this.

He either leaves the Republican Party, joins the private sector, or prays Rubio is caught with a live boy or a dead girl.  (Vitter and Ensign proved "Values Voters" need the girl dead or it doesn't count.)

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[ Parent ]
Does that mean they'd be okay with a dead boy?


Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

[ Parent ]
No but they'd probably be okay with a live one (over 18, of course)
n/t

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[ Parent ]
Ouch. Burn.


Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

[ Parent ]
It is Florida
A "fresh-faced" 74-year-old candidate?  

Sure...it's Florida. That seems much younger down there.

/joke

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[ Parent ]
I know you guys
will think that I am crazy, but could the fact that he is 74 help him with the senior vote? I am 100% serious, When Lawton Chiles was running against Nelson, in the democratic primary for Governor, Nelson tried to make an issue of Chiles age and it backfired bad. Rubio is not even 40 yet, and I think a 74 year old candidate in Florida would not be that horrible.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Becareful what you wish for......
If Crist switched to the Gov race McCollum might decide to get his old House seat back wich is currently occupied by Alan Grayson.

GOP would get the rightwing candidate of their choice installed as Senator, Crist would get the rightwing support for Gov re-election for "doing the right thing" and McCollum could move down to the congresional race and try to recapture his old seat back from Alan Grayson.

Crist or McCollum could then go after Nelson's senate seat in 2012 or McCollum could run for Governor in 2014.

Either way this would solve a lot of GOP problems a create a ton of Dem headaches!

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