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IL-Sen, IL-Gov: Giannoulias Leads, But Governor's Race is Muddy

by: Crisitunity

Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 1:49 PM EST


Public Policy Polling (PDF) (1/22-25, likely voters, no trendlines):

Alexi Giannoulias (D): 42
Mark Kirk (R): 34
Undecided: 24

Cheryle Jackson (D): 36
Mark Kirk (R): 38
Undecided: 26

David Hoffman (D): 36
Mark Kirk (R): 37
Undecided: 27
(MoE: ±3%)

Surprisingly nice numbers from PPP on the Senate general election, with Dem state treasurer Alexi Giannoulias putting up a sizable lead against Republican Rep. Mark Kirk, while Kirk barely beats the two other little-known Dems. Giannoulias has favorables of 31/19 (suggesting he's been weathering the Broadway Bank brouhaha all right, although that may have gotten more amped up in the days since this sample was completed, reaching a climax with the consent order the Giannoulias family-owned bank signed with the FDIC on Tuesday) while Kirk is at 27/22. Jackson and Hoffman's main problem, vis-a vis Kirk, seems to be their lower profiles, as their favorables are 16/17 and 16/11 respectively. One other amusing little tidbit: it may be good that Roland Burris isn't attempting to stand for election; his approval is 14/60, the worst PPP has ever seen for a sitting Senator. (See also conspiracy's diary.)

PPP also has gubernatorial numbers from the same sample:

Pat Quinn (D-inc): 35
Jim Ryan (R): 42
Undecided: 24

Pat Quinn (D-inc): 36
Andy McKenna (R): 42
Undecided: 22

Dan Hynes (D): 40
Jim Ryan (R): 35
Undecided: 25

Dan Hynes (D): 38
Andy McKenna (R): 36
Undecided: 26
(MoE: ±3%)

It looks like Pat Quinn may have been fatally wounded by a combination of getting hammered by ads from both Democratic primary challenger Dan Hynes and potential Republican opponent Andy McKenna -- as well as the general anti-incumbent tide these days -- as his approvals have sunk to a dire 25/55. Quinn is also seen losing in November to both McKenna and Republican former AG Jim Ryan, while Hynes (the state's Comptroller) squeaks by both of them, suggesting the problem here is Quinn more so than the Democratic brand. However, it's looking likelier and likelier that Quinn doesn't even make it out of the Democratic primary, as seen not only in PPP's previously reported primary numbers but also new primary numbers from Rasmussen (1/25, likely voters):

Pat Quinn (D-inc): 37
Dan Hynes (D): 43
Some other: 6
Not sure: 14
(MoE: ±6%)

I'd initially had my doubts about why Hynes would want to challenge a sitting Governor when there was an open Senate seat for the taking, but apparently he knew what he was doing -- he knew what Quinn's weaknesses were, how to hit them, and is peaking at the right time. I gotta wonder if Lisa Madigan is second-guessing herself these days for not wanting to take on Quinn when she had the chance.

UPDATE: Rasmussen also just came out with Democratic Senate primary numbers from the same sample, showing both of Giannoulias's challengers topping the 20-percent mark.

Alexi Giannoulias (D): 31
David Hoffman (D): 23
Cheryle Jackson (D):  23
Some other: 9
Not sure: 24
(MoE: ±6%)

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Thank god
It would really suck to lose the seats formerly held by both the President and the Vice President, especially considering both are in very blue states.

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Giannoulias is a corrupt banker
Hoffman all the way!  

I was into Hoffman
Until I found out this (via Americablog):

After law school, he worked for conservative Senator David Boren (D-OK)(one of only two Democrats to vote for the Bork SCOTUS nomination). He then chose to work for Judge Dennis Jacobs on the 2nd Circuit, a Bush appointee and Federalist society judge who's been described as one of the most ultra-conservative judges on the federal bench. After helping Jacobs write his opinions, Hoffman chose to clerk for Supreme Court Justice Rehnquist. He's described Justice Rehnquist as "the smartest guy I know." When he first started running in this primary, his campaign deleted Hoffman's clerking for Rehnquist and Jacobs from his resume but was then called out on it.

Link: http://www.americablog.com/201...

Hoffman may be a crusading pork-buster, but he'd be better suited for governor or comptroller or something than the Senate, where I really just want a solid "Yes" vote. It's doubtful that Hoffman would be that.

29, D, CA-27, 2nd class citizen


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really?
I thought Hoffman was rather liberal. I know he supports gay marriage. (then again, so do Giannoulias and I think Jackson--wonder how Boystown will vote?)

20, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)

[ Parent ]
and Lawrence Lessig clerked for Scalia
Conservative judges often hire liberals in order to be challenged.

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I'm pretty sure Lessig was a conservative then.
Hoffman may have been too, and he's welcome to be a Democrat if he's changed his views significantly. He's running too far the right for me personally, however--that's why I'm supporting Alexi for the seat.

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I
was skeptical of supporting Hynes over Quinn but with this poll coming out and reports of Quinn not running a full out campaign Im supporting Hynes for Governor now. Im also still strongly behind Giannoulias  

17, Male, Democrat, NJ-8  

I had not heard that...
I had assumed Quinn's drop in polling had come from the bashing from Hynes... Either way, Hynes has given himself the edge for the primary and general, hopefully he doesn't let us down.  

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Great choice
I was hoping you would come around. I really need to convince my sister to go for Hynes as well. She seems heart set on Quinn, she is not a political junkie and really doesn't pay attention to polls at all.  

36, Dem, IN-09

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Lisa Madigan is the Mike Beebe of Illinois
Even without Hynes exposing Quinn's weaknesses, she could probably crush Quinn. Plus, Madigan is not only the non-Blagojevich candidate, she is the anti-Blagojevich candidate. She hated Blagojevich before hating Blagojevich was cool.

20, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)

She hated
him because there was a long grudge between her dad and him. Just saying.  

36, Dem, IN-09

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Giannoulias
I still think that he's trouble heading towards the general. Call me crazy, but I don't think mob bankers are very electable this year.

He ain't a mob banker
And either way, Giannoulias (and any Democrat in Illinois) has something very strong working in his favor, President Barack Obama, formerly of Illinois.

Politics and Other Random Topics

24, Male, Democrat, NM-01


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See how he'll play
once people like Sirota soften him up for the Republicans.  

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Polls suggest he is playing fine
While Hoffman bashes him. None of this is new. He still got elected statewide. He won't beat Kirk by much but he will beat him. If Obama can get past his connections so can Alexi even with the poisonous environment.

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I still think Hoffman is the more electable candidate
   Someone else said this on another board and I agree. Hoffman's got better good government creed, better anti-establishment and does not have the weird "my daddy made me a bank president and than bought me the treasurers position kind of thing. And while I know it's never been proven that Alexi was involved in any wrongdoing with his family's bank. How shall I gently say this, bankers are not exactly the most popular people these days. you can bet Kirk and the Republicans will hammer this day and night. Although one strength that Giannoulias has, that Hoffman does not have is that he seems to be more charismatic and more media savvy then Hoffman is.      

I'm confused here
Supposedly, according to these polls, granted one is PPP and the other is Rassmussen, Giannoulias is leading by 8 points over Kirk and is pulling in 42%.  That's pretty good, but yet in the primary election, he's only pulling in 31% of the democratic electorate?  That doesn't make sense, especially seeing as there's no real way that he could beat Kirk amongst independents to make up for lack of Democratic support.  

Either the Dem block is so strong in Illinois that they'll vote for the Dem candidate no matter what, or Giannoulias is going to have a problem in November.  I still think he'll win, but I'm somewhat non-committal about that prediction.

23, Male, Democrat, OH-13


Certain Democratic voters prefer a different Democrat to be their nominee
There's not much more to it than that. Primary elections don't actually tell you very much about how a candidate will perform in a general election (just ask Creigh Deeds about that one!)

Politics and Other Random Topics

24, Male, Democrat, NM-01


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I think each candidate appeals to a different group of Democrats.
Giannoulias, I think, is doing well among establishment and "ethnic" Dems, likely in the Dan Lipinski/Michael Madigan model.

Hypothesizing here, but I'm guessing Hoffman's doing well among voters in the city, especially younger voters on the North Side (like myself) and moderate affluent suburbanites along the North Shore and North/Northwest suburbs that Obama performed extremely well among.

The former, I think, will likely go for Giannoulias in strong numbers; Kirk would probably do better against Giannoulias than Hoffman among the second.

Cheryle Jackson's support, again hypothesizing, is probably coming, at least in part, from the sizable bloc of African-American voters, especially on the city's West and South Side and South suburbs. The vast majority of her support should also go to Giannoulias in November; the key will be keeping turnout up.


[ Parent ]
Cheryle Jackson has 13% according to a different link...
on Rasmussen's website, here.

Come on, Scotty.


Seriously how many errors
Like this? Is it just his webmaster or something more?

[ Parent ]
Yep
I gotta wonder if Lisa Madigan is second-guessing herself these days for not wanting to take on Quinn when she had the chance.


I doubt she is
All the polls showed her clearly in the driver's seat, in either the senatorial or gubernatorial.  Maybe she is internally not very self-confident or something because all signs were that she was the queen of IL politics and she could run for whatever she chose, she just had to be do it!

I think she really just screwed herself out some solid presidential runs.  Now by the time she moves up from AG, she'll be quite old as she'll have to wait for IL-Gov as Durbin isnt too old and if Giallounias wins it, well he's in his early 30's so that he'll have that locked down for decades.  

She shouldve ran when she had her opening....  Hynes didnt wait in line, and she shouldnt have either.


[ Parent ]
She's only 43
she's got a good 20 years on her and she'll still be in the good age bracket for Presidential material.  

[ Parent ]
Which will make her 51 by the time see sees the Gov's mansion
Which leaves her probably three different opportunities to run for President, and that relies on there not being a D incumbent to run against so she'll really only be guaranteed one solid run, possibly two.

Hillary announced she's sees it very unlikely that she'll be SoS for both of Obama's terms, if there is a second term.  If that means she's running again for President, she'll be 69 on Election Day.  Hillary can get away with being that old, it's Hillary freaking Clinton and while Obama won, it took me awhile to look back and go, wow, she was really was just barely there.  Im currently reading the Audacity to Win.  The book paints a very clear picture, Hillary took it for granted.    But well, that's a topic for another blog as we only do horse race politics.

But my point is, Hillary can be 69, well, I dont want Hillary to be the standard bearer and some above god, Madigan can be 69 too then.  McCain was 73 or whatever, and we shouldnt always hold our female candidates to the Hillary standard.  Hillary's only real greatness is that she is the first one with the organization to do it.


[ Parent ]
Can someone
give me a rundown of the dem candidates for LG, treasurer, and all the other statewide offices, except Governor and Senate? I would really appreciate it.  

36, Dem, IN-09

well, Madigan and Jesse White are running opposed...
for AG and Secretary of State, and should both win handily in the fall.

On the LG side, there are six Dems running, none of whom really impressed me. There are two state reps (Art Turner and Mike Boland), two state senators (Rickey Hendon and Terry Link), a self-funding pawn shop broker (Scott Cohen), and the guy I voted for absentee, an unemployed union electrician (Thomas Castillo). (He friended me on Facebook, so I decided to cast my vote for him, even though it's probably a long shot that he'll win :).) LG runs separately from the governor in the primaries but combines with the governor to form one ticket in the fall; both Link and Hendon have ethical issues (although Hendon is at least comical about it), so a Turner, Boland, or even a Cohen win would probably be the best outcome for the Dems.

The Dem Treasurer primary is between Robin Kelly, Alexi G's chief of staff, and Justin Oberman, who seems like a perennial candidate to me (and who also worked in the Bush administration). Voting for Kelly was a no-brainer here, although she'll face a tough general election opponent in GOP State Senator Dan Rutherford (who is running unopposed in the GOP primary).

On the Comptroller side of things, there are three Democratic candidates: David Miller, a state representative, Raja Krishnamoorthi, who worked on Obama's 2000 House and 2004 Senate bids and was a deputy treasurer, and Clint Krislov, a public interest lawyer. I voted for Miller, although all three seem good to me; they will all have a tough general election however as former state Treasurer and 2006 GOP gubernatorial nominee Judy Baar Topinka will probably win the GOP comptroller primary.  


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Thanks a million
I didn't know Topinka was even running. She will probaly win do to name rec.

36, Dem, IN-09

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