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MA-Sen: Coakley Up 8 In First R2K Poll

by: Crisitunity

Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 1:00 PM EST


Research 2000 for Blue Mass Group (1/12-13, likely voters, no trendlines):

Martha Coakley (D): 49
Scott Brown (R): 41
Joe Kennedy (L): 5
Undecided: 5
(MoE: ±4%)

Research 2000 checks in with its first poll of the Massachusetts Senate race (although the poll was commissioned by local blog Blue Mass Group, rather than the big orange mothership, not that that should affect the numbers). This is also the first poll taken after Monday's televised debate. They find an eight-point lead for Coakley, obviously much better than the most recent Rasmussen and PPP polls, though still hardly a slam dunk (rather concerning, for instance, is that the Libertarian candidate, Joe Kennedy [no relation to the dynasty], is polling at 5% -- as we saw in New Jersey, third party candidates like that tend to fall off a bit in the final equation, and Libertarian votes seem likelier to gravitate toward Brown).

In the crosstabs, Brown leads 49-36 among independents, which is a much smaller edge than PPP saw. Coakley is leading only 46-45 among whites and is trailing Brown 50-41 in the state's southeast; her lead seems based primarily on non-whites (including an 86-4 lead among blacks) and the Boston area (where she leads 53-37). (Discussion also underway in conspiracy's diary.)

Brown is trying to walk a tightrope here, as he's trying to attract enough support from nationwide tea-party types to attract their dollars, while still keeping them at arms' length enough to keep the votes of local moderates. For instance, he's been avoiding asking the potentially polarizing endorsement of Sarah Palin (and she's been smart enough to not offer it without having been asked). However, he's been saying he's not familiar with the Tea Party movement... a petard on which he's currently being hoisted, as video and photos of him addressing local Tea Party gathering have surfaced (including from his own Flickr account).

Meanwhile, Coakley received the Boston Globe's endorsement (although that shouldn't be any more of a surprise than Brown getting the Herald's endorsement). One other story getting play today is the possibility that it may take weeks to certify the winner of the election, especially if it's close (but even if it's not, as town clerks need to wait at least 10 days for absentee ballots to arrive before certifying their town-level results). Naturally, the right is assuming this is a ploy to give the Democrats enough time to wrap up health care reform before Brown arrives on his white horse to kill it.

UPDATE: I know I've seen lots of talk in the comments that the deal-sealer should be Vicki Kennedy cutting a TV ad on Martha Coakley's behalf, and having that be the campaign's closing argument over the weekend. Via Chuck Todd, it sounds like that's exactly what they're doing. Leaving nothing to chance, the DNC is also reportedly sinking another $150K, but more importantly, a lot more manpower on the ground, into the race.

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The 10 days is for overseas absentees only
Unless the election is super close, that won't matter.  That being said, if Massachusetts decides to follow the letter of the law, I won't be particularly bother by it. Of course, hopefully Martha will win and it will be a mute issue.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

moot issue
n/t

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

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Quote
"A close finish would send a terrible message about the political health of Obama and Dems, and it would be a national story with awful symbolic overtones, given the hallowed identity of the seat's previous inhabitant."

Frankly, I'll just take the win. Any win.


Rothenberg is definatly a republican
He just moved this race to tossup right after this poll came out. Martha Coakley numbers in this race are reminding me a lot of Saxby Chambliss's in Georgia in 2008. If I had to predict at this point I'd say
50% Coakley
47% Brown
3% Kennedy
The issue I see is that Brown's numbers are having trouble moving beyond the 47%/48% area. I think an upset may be possible but if GOTV continues like it has been enough democrats will hopefully show up to seal the deal for Coakley.

Re: Rothenberg, that is ridiculous
Practically every forecaster, and even most conservative commentators, are giving Coakley an edge.

Male, 23, DC-At Large

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O/T
but didn't know where else to put it.

Shadegg (R-AZ-03) retiring.

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34, WM, Democrat, FL-11


Cute
Wonder where those letters are form 2008 begging him to run for another term that he caved too.

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26

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Egad...I wonder why
Not that we have a candidate ready to take this seat, thought with Brewer's approvals, it might be a bright spot. On another note, surprising that our reps in AZ seem on track to win re-election (still early though).

Indepedent/Lean D. Dude.
All 5s (now TX-5; frmly VA-5 and CA-5)  


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Bob Lord
made a decent run last year.  Maybe he does it again.  Goddard's coattails will probably be pretty good.

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

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If it isn't germane
I usually put it in the last digest.

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or diary
and if I know it's big news, I just wait for it to have its own thread

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*Sigh*, it really had to come to this...now I'm fucking pissed
we are pouring funds into a seat that should be a gimme come hell or high water b/c this lady was a sleepwalking dullard! What about all the money she raised? What happened to all the 600+k Dem primary voters who picked btw her, Capuano and Khazei? If we are spending precious $$ in expensive Mass, how are we going to fight in OH, PA, CO etc.

This so called complacency is primarily b/c Obama decided to play inside baseball on the most important legislative agenda of any Demorat (HCR), but then sat on his thumbs while the maniacical oppposition (a minority of the minority, mind you) defined his agenda w/ lies and faux outrage and rather than beat the living shit out of them, he wasted precious time chasing GOP senators and reps who had NEVER had ANY intention of lifting a finger for anything! (Earth to White House: there is a reason Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins have Rs next to their names not Ds). I mean, I could have told them that and I'm just a regular voter? We have tons of history of how this shit happens: Clinton '94, Gore '00, Kerry '04, you can't be that stupid to have forgotten how the same playbook works?I'm beginning to wonder if Obama is proving the experience deficiency Clinton talked about and, more importantly, whether the he has the right team to help him govern and win an '84 like 2nd term. Don't let loyalty be the enemy of success (G.W. Bush learned that the hard way). Just b/c the economy sucks doesn't mean you can't act or lead with conviction.

Now couple that with our failure to properly screen candidates before they run for federal office (maybe we should have appointed a tough S.O.B. to this seat instead and let him/her run in Jan). This woman is being carried over the finish line on an IV in a stretcher in a state that is as Democratic as the word is spelled. How fucking annoying! I her advisers are to blame, they should'nt get a dime.

Sorry if I was threadjacking! I had to vent after I unsubscirbed from OfA and any Dem thing a few months ago. I'm just amazed how we NEVER fucking learn. It's like we are the STUPID party and the other guys are the CRAZY party. And Americans are too crazy stupid to figure it out.  

Indepedent/Lean D. Dude.
All 5s (now TX-5; frmly VA-5 and CA-5)  


it's a special election
sure the national environment is a factor, but more of it has to do with it being an election that was held pretty quickly in a state that usually doesn't see a lot of tight elections.  remember in 2007 nikki tsongas barely won her seat, but 2008 wasn't doom and gloom.  not saying 2010 will be 2008, but this isn't a harbringer, it's more like a lot of bad circumstances hitting at once.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

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But we've had specials before....
and won (I know we've won some GOP areas and vice versa), but by and large, even in low turnout elections, our voters vote when they know their issues AND their candidates are out there.

Here, this lady just assumed she'd waltz into office, like in the primary, w/o breaking a sweat b/c, well..she is the freaking AG but general elections are ALWAYS about choices and  w/ all the money she had, you'd think she'd have spent it telling folks she's running. Not doing this tells me she's just dumb or was poorly served by her advisers or both. That is my beef here...running someone who forgets simple politics 101 and now we are paying for it in $$ we will no longer have to spend elsewhere.

Indepedent/Lean D. Dude.
All 5s (now TX-5; frmly VA-5 and CA-5)  


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That is the reason for it
Her entire general election campaign distilled into the last week. Maybe the environment plays a part but only on the edges.

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As I've written here before
There is plenty to gripe about when it comes to the way Martha Coakley has conducted her campaign, but at this moment in time hashing over it is simply counterproductive.  If we as progressives want to avoid a setback of epic proportions next Tuesday, WE NEED to do everything we can to shore up her support.

Male, 23, DC-At Large

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Agreed
Martha my dear, we certainly do give a damn. Lets do this.

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er, no
Generally, people here get annoyed with decent quality Democrats who run as if they were in a dead heat.  It's viewed as overkill.  And until Christmas or New Years that was the right way to play it.

This election is turning more than a bit weird here.  I think it's really that Kennedy is absent, there's some kind lack felt about the Party that leaves average Democrats floundering in their emotional commitments.  It's of a piece with with the sense in the country that the longstanding post-1980 national Democratic establishment (Kennedy, Reid, Daschle, etc key people- who also happen to have encouraged Obama to run and stacked the game his way out of dislike of/rivalry with the Clintons and their sub-Establishment) is some mix of falling away, inadequate/failing, weak, losing relevance, is sold out, etc.  I don't know whether Obama can really rally much emotional support here outside of the black community.  A lot that he has been and done nationally is carbon copy to Deval Patrick, as have been a lot of his predicaments, and Patrick is finding little resonance here.

In short, Kennedy is dead and it has now sunk in.  And the establishment he was the center of is also fading, as is the mode of politics and issues he stood for (which Mike Capuano most matched to and tried to recapitulate in the primary).  Coakley has suddenly found herself in a position where she has to take, explain, and defend a terrain- what the up and coming form of Democratic establishment is and is about- no one has had to in generation plus.  I thought that would be a heavy crown but that for this election she would only need to claim it, not stand and wear and justify it.

But that's the fun of elections and campaigns, isn't it.


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That's some heavy shit
Paul Blart.

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

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I don't think those Joe Kennedy votes are all Libertarian votes
I'd be willing to bet that at least half of them are low-information voters who think Joe Kennedy is a real Kennedy.  Every one of those votes would go to Coakley, while probably only a substantial majority of Libertarian votes would go to Brown.  If half are Kennedy-Kennedy votes and half are Libertarian votes, then any eleventh-hour collapse in Kennedy support would benefit Coakley, not Brown.

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Disagree
A lot of those Kennedy-Kennedy voters are Mass Dems who don't like Coakley (because of Fells Acre or her elitist attitude) and are voting for someone else (in this case someone they think is somebody else).

IMHO a lot of those Kennedy-Kennedy voters stay home on election day. I do think libertaruab Kennedy voters drift towards Brown on election day.

But I still think this whole thing is much ado about nothing.

Dem advantages in Mass are just too great and Coakley will win by at tleat 10 points.

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New Coakley slogan:
"Vote for Martha.  Teddy would have wanted it that way."

Because the right would never dream...
...of using Reagan!

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One problem with the poll
Joe Kennedy is on the ballot as an Independent, not a Libertarian. Kennedy polling 5% with the Libertarian label is kind of remarkable (he wouldn't top 2.5% with that label). But if the polling noted his actual party, it'd be a bit higher and Coakley's total would be a bit lower.

Massachusetts has a history of electing candidates with similar names/last names to other office holders. That has kind of died down due to television and 4 year terms (and probably harsher primary ballot access). But in this situation, Libertarian Joe Kennedy takes votes from Martha Coakley because people think that Libertarian Joe Kennedy is Democrat Joe Kennedy.

Which gives me an interesting ad idea involving a certain Kennedy who was a Massachusetts Congressman until 1999.


Speaking of former congressmen
Maybe distribute flyers in Stephen Lynch's district asking people to vote for "M. Coakley" and hope their brains splice the words. ;)

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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That's actually not a bad idea
n/t

Male, 23, DC-At Large

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Whatever the result, I think the real Joe Kennedy may run in 2012
Assuming Coakley wins, I'm guessing that Joe III is already getting calls about challenging her the next time around.

Effects of Haitian earthquake on Coakley campaign
I'm wondering how Coakley (and the DSCC) will do with fundraising in the wake of the Haitian earthquake, as many people that probably would have donated to her campaign will give money to earthquake relief instead. Also, much of the national media attention that was starting to focus on this race has been redirected to covering the earthquake. So the sense of urgency for both sides (at least among people form outside of Massachusetts) may have dissipated. Not to say that people shouldn't be focused on the earthquake or donate to relief funds, I'm just wondering how this event will affect the Senate race, any insights?  

I thought the same thing.
My thinking is that it hurts Coakley.  All the national attention had to drive turnout, making the electorate look more like a normal MA electorate.  Presumably, a lack of national attention will lower turnout, leaving the more motivated Brown supporters going to the polls in larger proportions than Coakely supporters.  

I watched CNN for an hour today and didn't see a thing on Coakley-Brown.

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11


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The race
will continue to get attention.  naturally the disaster in Haiti has lots of coverage.  But heading into the weekend, focus on the race will resume

Plus, its not so much important that CNN cover the race.. its that mailers and commercials are played.  Anyone who was on Obama's email list durring his campaign has gotten emails about the race asking for money.  And you can bet lots of liberal Dems in Mass have been getting them.  

And fundraising isnt the big issue.  DNC has deep pockets if needed.  The real issue has always been that Coakley didn't do shit with her money for a month.  Hell i'm fine with people who would have donated giving to Haiti instead.  Haiti needs the money more.  The Dems problem isnt money.. they won't run out regardless.

I'm still super pissed with her that she let this turn into a close race.


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I actually agree that the Haiti ordeal may "hurt" Coakley
Republicans will, no matter what, get their vote out come election day. PPP estimated they'd makeup about 20% of the electorate...don't color me shocked if it's more like 25%. Also, I'm getting the sense that as much $$$ Coakley's finally pumping into this race, there are still a lot of Dems who are weary/pissed-off at her behavior and who would head into that voting booth holding their nose. And, that's hardly a good thing.

Weather-wise (and yes, it will be a factor), it's currently looking fine; a high of 35, cloudy.

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Libertarian percentage
might actually be what it is on election day.  You gotta think with these low-turnout special elections.. this 5% or so we are seeing could be for those true libertarians that won't vote for any other party.  Their high numbers may be due to still low turnout for the other parties (especially democrats)

In most of the congressional special elections, we have seen some 3rd parties pull in around 5 to 6 percent.  So we may see that happen here.  


Report: Coakley internal has her up only 46-44......
See my comment here in the other contemporaneous diary by conspiracy.

Not what I wanted to hear or report.  But the report is what it is.

Tuesday can't get here fast enough, just to get this over with.  My stomach is in knots right now.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


Worst campaign of 2010
Martha Coakley by a long shot. I'm not saying and I'm not hoping she loses, but turning what was a sure win into a dead heat shows what kind of horrible campaign she's ran.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

Creigh Deeds
might have something to say about that.

34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

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but
he was 2009...instead of being greedy he should step aside and let Coakley have the 2010 title (at least until November).

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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