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NY-Gov, NY-Sen: Cuomo Beats Paterson, McCarthy Beats Gillibrand

by: Crisitunity

Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 1:11 PM EST


Quinnipiac (2/10-15, registered voters):

David Paterson (D-inc): 23
Andrew Cuomo (D): 55

Kirsten Gillibrand (D-inc): 24
Carolyn McCarthy (D): 34
(MoE: ±4.6%)

David Paterson (D-inc): 43
Rudy Giuliani (R): 43

Andrew Cuomo (D): 51
Rudy Giuliani (R): 37

Kirsten Gillibrand (D-inc): 42
Peter King (R): 26
(MoE: ±3%)

In the political chess game, David Paterson may have felt he was thinking ten moves ahead by picking Kirsten Gillibrand to fill the vacant Senate seat, by picking a young, charismatic woman with monster fundraising capacities who may well be holding the seat 40 years from now. However, it's starting to look like, in doing so, he wasn't thinking two moves ahead... as Quinnipiac now shows both Paterson and Gillibrand highly vulnerable in the 2010 primary. Picking Andrew Cuomo to fill the Senate seat would have killed two birds with one stone in the short-term for Paterson (get a Senator who's known statewide and ready to stand on his own, and give his electoral archrival something to do other than challenge him in the 2010 election). Instead, he gambled on long-term dividends, and it's possible neither he nor Gillibrand will be around to enjoy them.

The Gillibrand/McCarthy numbers seem likely to evolve over time, as 39% remain undecided. And both candidates seem largely unknown outside their respective corners of the state; Gillibrand's favorables are 24/9 with 65% "haven't heard enough," (and 81% "haven't heard enough" in the NYC Suburbs) while McCarthy's are also 24/9, with 66% "haven't heard enough" (with 88% "haven't heard enough" upstate). An uncontroversial two years for Gillibrand, combined with tacking left on guns and immigration issues, should bring her numbers up (although revelations like the one today that she keeps two guns under her bed can't be helping matters). Gillibrand has little trouble disposing of Rep. Peter King in the general (there's no polling of an all-LI slugfest between King and McCarthy).

Paterson, however, trails Cuomo by a 2-1 margin, and, unlike Gillibrand, everyone knows who he is. His favorables are a fairly grim 41/35, while Cuomo clocks in at 63/15. Cuomo also dominates a hypothetical matchup against Rudy Giuliani while Paterson only ties him. Much of this does, in fact, seem to be blowback from the senator selection process. Paterson gets a mark of 35/52 for approval/disapproval of how he handled the process, down from 44/42 from last month. We may be looking at a truly epic miscalculation from Paterson here, one for the history books.

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Geez, Poor Paterson
How did he survive so long in politics with such a poor sense of political shrewdness?

Such a shame
you're not going to see a governor Cuomo blogging on dailykos.  Paterson really struck me as a good guy, it's too bad that of all things a senatorial appointment is killing his career.

It's not just that
Paterson pissed off a lot of the base with his strong opposition to a millionaire's tax. Cuomo obviously isn't exactly loved by the base either, but I think a fair amount of people are thinking that they might as well give him a shot.

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Cuomo is worse
He appeared before the Conservative Party last week and spouting right wing talking points.

Cuomo would be one of the most conservative Democratic governors. I wouldn't be surprised to see Giuliani try to flank him on the left.


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Hence the "isn't exactly loved by the base"
I'm not going to get into the insane scenario where Giuliani somehow flanks any Democrat to the left. It's just not going to happen.

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Giuliani is still pretty popular
especially in moderate/conservative areas of the city and on Long Island for what it's worth.

It's dangerous to assume he's no longer popular, he still really is.  

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Im pretty sure Paterson was warned about this
Gillibrand was perfect for the Republicans leaning NY-20, but a complete mismatch for the state as a whole.  People are very upset with him and because of this he and Gillibrand will likely lose their primaries.  Is there any chance that Gillibrand can drop out of the Senate race and run for her House seat again?  Because if she stays in the Senate race, her career is about to hit an iceberg.  

Probably not
2012 come back to Congress if the Republicans win.

I have a feeling though that McCarthy wont challenge her. She hasn't said anything else except that first initial outburst.

Plus, she's 65.  Gillibrand is 42 and would do a lot better service to New York by getting to really rack up Seniority if she chose to be a lifer.  She seems ambitious enough to do that as that's why I'm sure Patterson picked her.  


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McCarthy isn't a good campaigner
Gillibrand is...this poll means nothing to me except name recognition...everyone downstate knows who McCarthy is, not many know who Gillibrand is...I suspect the high number of undecideds will break for Gillibrand in the end.

Though the media is having a field day with the "guns under the bed" storyline.

I don't really see what the issue is, I grew up with a gun in my house...in New York City...it was legal, licensed and my parents were very clear in not touching it...it was also unloaded too.  

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So were Gillibrand's guns
loaded or unloaded?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Half-cocked. (eom)


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unloaded
or so she says.

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Challenge
If McCarthy won't challenge her, Carolyn Maloney will.  Either way she's toast.

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No, she's not
I'm willing to bet every dime I have Gillibrand will survive easily

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Same here
I'll take that bet.  Gillibrand will be fine.  Right now she's a victim of Paterson's botched appointment process.  She's alwready lurching a good deal to the left and I have little doubt she'll cruise in 2010.

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I think right now
she's a victim of low name recognition. Even my grandmother and my cousin had no idea she was a Senator, they only knew "the woman who's husband was killed on the railroad" was supposed to be running.  

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Agreed.
She'll tack to the left, people will get to know her better, and she'll impress with her political skills.

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Don't Think So
Those numbers are not bad at all for Gillibrand.  Her favorables, in fact, are very good.  Her general election numbers are also excellent.  The only reason she polls behind McCarthy is lower name recognition.  And, with more than a year of incumbancy before a primary, she'll be better known than McCarthy and has time to move to the left.  Plus, she's reportedly the better campaigner, is definitely a much superior fundraiser, will have the backing of the Democratic establishment, and already has backing from GLBT and abortion rights groups.  Given how good her favorability numbers are (better than I would have expected), she's close to a lock.

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Gillibrand vs. McCarthy
I want to see McCarthy go down and hard. Upstate finally has some say in overall state politics rather then just the city or long island. I just hope that if McCarthy goes down in the senate race that she will also get out of the house.  

Gillibrand shouldn't have much to worry
about; she's just got really low name recognition.  So long as she moderates herself in Congress effectively, combined with the huge amounts of available cash, I can't see her having difficulty in the primary (that's assuming McCarthy goes through with it, which I kind of doubt).

Paterson, though, should be vewy vewy worried.


paterson looked like a total dufus (sp?) for 3 months
and then finished off this ignominous period by trashing caroline kennedy.  i think the gillibrand pick is not a terrible one, but the "process" used to get there could not have been worse.

and yes he survived a long time in politics, but i doubt he had a serious race in his entire career.  the spotlight on as NY Guv is very very bright.

i still think gillibrand may not even face a primary.


Ya, he was completely unprepared
I'm sure he never imagined he'd be Governor when Spitzer picked him as Lt. Gov, but the guy has made a ton of mistakes.  The Senate pick was bad, but the budget was even worse.  There's still time for him to turn things around, but the clock is ticking.

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A couple rookie moves and you lose.
That simple.  Bush had a social security privatization fight that united and embolded Democrats only to have his other mistake, the Iraq war, give Democrats a window of opportunity.  

He really fumbled the ball on the appointment, then he got tackled over his budget proposal.  


Ehh
Social Security privatization probably isn't even among his top 5 epic fails.  He was at least smart enough to back off that one before putting it to a vote which would have failed miserably.  

hough had he actually mustered support to pass it there would probably be far fewer republicans left in Congress today given how peoples' social security would be gone.


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Maybe Accidental Governor Paterson
shouldnt have gotten in bed with Bush's WH press folks... who we all know now were the ones behind torpedoing Caroline.

How sweet it is
Wonderful to see Paterson's numbers.  Even better to see Gillibrand.  Her blue dogism is totally out of step with the base of the Democratic party.  In an one-on-one race against either McCarthy or Maloney, she will lose.  And deservedly so.

Wait till you see Governor Blue Dog Cuomo
You want to talk about out of step with the base of the Democratic Party, look at Andrew Cuomo.  

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