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What Will the Palin Effect Downballot Be?

by: DavidNYC

Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 10:00 AM EDT


Charlie Cook assesses dueling theories:

But what does that mean for races down the ballot? In part the answer depends on whether you believed that Republicans had a turnout problem before Palin was chosen. There are two schools of thought. The first is that although many Republicans were not excited about McCain, a longtime maverick and, yes, irritant to the GOP establishment, the party's voters would have supported him anyway. They might not have run to the polls, but they would have voted. This theory posits that these voters simply feel better now about a vote they would have cast anyway.

The second theory is that if McCain had not added Palin or someone else capable of revving up the GOP base, quite a few Republicans wouldn't have voted. A moderate case of sniffles, an unusually busy first-Tuesday-after-the-first-Monday-in-November, or any number of other excuses might well have been seized upon. And these Republicans would simply not have felt strongly enough about their support for McCain to persevere and vote. Under this theory, Palin really helps unless her standing is damaged.

Where Palin may not be able to help is among what some Bush campaign strategists in 2004 called "unreliable Republicans," those who would vote Republican but have a history of not showing up on Election Day. These are people who have to be identified and hounded with phone calls and visits to their homes to remind them that, yes, this is Election Day and they are expected to vote. McCain has neither the money nor the organizational ability to match the get-out-the-vote efforts of President Bush's 2004 campaign or Obama's current effort.

So perhaps Palin is an asset but not quite a savior. For down-ballot GOP candidates who need all of the turnout assistance they can get, she will help some -- but probably not enough unless they were already within shouting distance of victory. Republicans won't have the masterful vote-generating machine they've grown accustomed to, but they are better off with Palin near the top of their ticket.

In other words, Cook says, to believe there will be a sizable Palin effect downballot, you'd have to think that at least some portion of the hardcore fundie base now going ga-ga over the GOP VP nominee would have otherwise stayed home had Palin not been named to the ticket. Otherwise, Palin is just revving up people who would have voted anyway, albeit unenthusiastically.

Personally, I think at least some Republicans who weren't going to bother with this election are now going to show up, which is more or less what Cook concludes, since he thinks Palin "will help some." But the reigning pessimist in me thinks the effect may be bigger than Cook imagines. What do you think?

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I am afraid there will be a sizable impact
We are already starting to see it take shape in the generic congressional ballot polls taken in the last few weeks.

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...

I know that in the R2K/DKos trackers over the last four days, our lead has been 6,6,6, and 7 points.  

Clearly, numbers have moved.  Now, maybe a huge portion of these voters are in the South, where McCain's numbers have moved the most.  Hard to say.  Also, seven points is still a good place to be.  But I don't think there is any question that races like AL-02, KY-02, LA-04/06, NV-02, WY-AL and other really Republican districts will see some sort of impact, and I can't believe it will help our guys immensely.  


On the other hand: AL, KY, and WY
None of those states have competitive presidential races (unlike NV), so there won't be as big of a drive to get Republican voters to turn out.  They kinda already know who's gonna win their state (the only possible exception among these being Kentucky), and it's unlikely that McCain will even campaign in these places.

As for Palin, the thing I find most annoying about her is that her presence on the ticket makes it harder to crack the "red/blue divide" that I've been so hoping that we could break this year, by taking massive numbers of red House seats, Senate seats, and state electoral votes.

However, I can't really blame them.  They are our enemies, and they are going to fight as hard as they can to win (even if it may involve illegal activities, heh), and they will make life difficult for us.

I think the reason for this bounce in the polls across the board for them is that they're starting to fight back and we're starting to get shaken out of our illusion that we can just steamroll over them in districts across the country.

Let this be a message to all of us activists, that this is not the time to give up on our candidates, but rather, this is the time to fight back even harder.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


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a couple of points
First, I think WA-Gov is a bad example here.  The governor has simply never been way ahead of Rossi.  In four years in office.  She just has unbeen unable to shake that close election and get a groove in office.  Of course, it has not helped that crybaby Rossi has been dogging her for four years.  

Second, the polls don't lie.  We had a solid double-digit lead in generic polls all summer, and now it is down to 7-8 points, if not fewer.  That is still a good place to be, but it kind of indicates that a 40-seat night is unlikely.

Sure, Palin's impact will be felt differently in different districts.  I disagree that getting GOP voters out will depend almost entirely on whether the presidential contest is close in a particular state.  Right now, it is pretty clear that the missions of people like David Boswell, Bobby Bright, Don Cazayoux, and others just got a little harder.

By the way, if two of my favorite candidates this cycle, Ronnie Musgrove and Gary Trauner can somehow win given everything that is against them, they deserve medals and will have pulled off the two biggest wins of the cycle (excluding the big contest).  


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Yay!
More fans of severely-red state competitive Democrats!

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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districts vary
Palin's impact will be felt differently in different districts

Absolutely.
I received a fund-raising appeal this morning from Joe Sestak's campaign (PA-07). It says that he expects a much tougher race now, because his Republican opponent has personal ties to Governor Palin and she has scheduled a personal appearance in the district early in October. Freshman Sestak flipped a red-held seat in 2006 in a suburban district where party registration is already in the other side's favor, and they're bracing for a coat-tails effect that McCain at the top of the ticket did not seem to threaten.  

Half the population believes our electoral system is broken. The other half believes it is fixed. Wakeuplaughing.com  


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I am scared
Palin's effect is going to be bigger than anticipated (by Obama and Clinton camps).

I don't like the WA governor poll and there may be more to come.

When Obama won the nomination, many Clinton supporters did not get on board (they deserve 16 yrs of Palin). The Obama camp also was complacent. They should have used the time to define McCain and hit him hard. Now this is not only a problem for Obama, this means trouble down the line at all levels.

The only thing that may work for us is the economy. I still think people will think twice before voting Republican during an economic turmoil. Then again, I would not underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.


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Can we stop the *blame Clintonites* innuendo?
The most recent poll I saw said something like 81% of Clinton supporters are for Obama (myself included), while something like 11% are for McCain and the rest undecided.

The blogosphere likes to pretend like that means that nearly 20% of the Dems who supported Clinton **refuse** to support our presidential candidate, but I'm sorry - that's not the case, and it's unfair to place the blame on the Clinton camp.

It's well established that a large chunk of the South are registered locally as Dems yet vote for the GOP nationally, and it's no secret that Obama is struggling to connect with Appalachia.  These voters in West Virginia, Arkansas, Kentucky, etc., might've made their states competitive for Clinton, but nevertheless have a tendency to vote Republican for president.  They aren't a bunch of left-wing Democrats behaving like school-children, bitter that they lost an game of tag on the playground... they're a moderate swing bloc to whom Clinton appealed and, for some reason, Obama doesn't.

I agree with you that instead of complacency, we should be out there on the airwaves/canvassing/etc. convincing these (and other) undecideds that the policies Obama offers are far superior to those of McCain.  These people don't deserve Palin, and their votes don't deserve to be taken for granted.  They do deserve an earnest attempt from both campaigns for their support, and to know what both presidential tickets are offering.


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I don't know the answer
but I think an important question is whether Palin has made some Republicans who were going to reluctantly vote for McCain so excited that they will now volunteer for his campaign.

McCain doesn't seem to have a lot of canvassing going, but maybe now he will get more boots on the ground.

I tend to think Palin helped him most in the states he was going to win anyway.


OT: Another Wrench in NY-13
http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

To sum it up, Vito is trying to get on the ballot as an independant because there is essentially no hope for their golden Republican candidate.  So they are doing polling and looking into the laws or w/e as the usual steps go to do so.  


Oh please let that happen
Then this five-ring frackus will be complete.

22, Democrat, AZ-01
Peace. Love. Gabby.


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